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Article #1335Re: Ubinger for Durham City Council
From: Ray Ubinger
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 02:01
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 02:01
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Susan Hogarth writes: >>> Does the Durham City Council have multiple-member districts? >> >> It has one. It *is* one seven-member district. > > I thought it was a six-member council, with three at-large positions > and three Wards, and this race was for Ward 1. Also true. That's even the usual wording (plus the at-large mayoral slot). But it acts like one big 7-member district. EVERY registered city voter gets one vote for EVERY seat. The only thing the Ward boundaries do is limit where (within the city) three of the MEMBERS have to reside. Again: ALL seven members answer to ALL city voters at the polls. ALL city voters get to vote in ALL seven races. ALL seven members therefore represent ALL city voters. ps Actually it's still 13 right now, not 7 yet, but this is the year it's getting halved. >> Jackie Wagstaff is not the only one of [the incumbents] who could win >> this seat (Ward 1). > > She's the only *incumbent* in this race; isn't she? The question was > about the *incumbent* in the race you were running. In a sense which may not be common usage, yet which is completely valid constitutionally, anyone the voters can elect is in the race. Incumbent Brenda Burnette (for one) lives in Ward 1, therefore the voters will be just as able to elect her to the Ward 1 slot as they will be able to elect Jackie or me. Brenda herself might even start pointing this out if she "loses" the "primary" in "her" race (Mayor). Likewise "my" race could validly be thought of as being "for the Ward 1 seat or an At-Large seat or the Mayor seat." I'm electable to any of the 7 seats except the Ward 2 seat and the Ward 3 seat. I'm electable to any of five different seats. If I picked a "wrong" one of those five seats in which to buy the govt-run advertising (the $122 filing fee) -- i.e., if the people really think I should become mayor or an at-large seat holder and not the Ward 1 seat holder -- they can actually say so in November. And hey, believe it or not, I would take it. :) Nothing can stop Y'All the Bosses from making such a decision. The fact that I purchased govt-run advertising for the Ward 1 seat has no control over it. Some influence, probably, but zero control. Every >21 voter in the race, in good (non-felony) standing, is a full- fledged candidate--for being chosen to office by the people--as far as our Law is concerned. We won't KNOW, until Nov. 6, whether or not the people want EVEN ONE of the people who makes it onto the Nov. ballot to proceed to become (or stay) a Councilman. Give me all the raspberries you want for talking like this. This is my campaign and I think it's interesting to focus on. I think it could have important implications in certain situations. And it keeps attention on my main issue of the write-in ban, even in this "off season" of an odd-#'d year, when the ban goes dormant. I'm also proud of coming up with a money-saving spin on it -- do away with the nonpartisan primaries entirely! They really do decide nothing and really do cost money. If that idea succeeded, I think it could possibly become a wedge in people's minds that would one day split the log of govt-subsidized PARTISAN primaries. IIRC, as recently as '95, a guy in Greensboro, the _Rhino Times_ editor, actually pulled down something like a third of the vote for Mayor, after waiting 'til THREE WEEKS before the general election (one week AFTER the "primary") to START talking himself up as a (write- in) candidate. It ain't over 'til it's over. > Doesn't reality have some bearing here? Yes, and my attempted point (re: Votebook's office-holding question) was to bring people's attention to the aspect of reality which reveals that the whole list of partisan nonmunicipal office-holders since 1987 is, at root, a lie. I have _constitutionally_ held _elective_ office with the people's _consent_, if and only if the people wanted me to. Did the people want me to or not? Beats me. And I figure if the Herald-Sun really wants to report only who has held non-constitutional, pseudo-elective office, fraudulently, without the people's consent, then they can look it up themselves at the Board of Rigged Elections, and fill in that blank themselves on the questionnaires. Now that I mention it, that reminds me. As a "perennial candidate" I am in a position to let you in on the little secret: the N&O this year has in fact changed their questionnaire wordings, due (I'm confident) to my answers in past years. For them, it's now "political experience" instead of "offices held." And "political hero" instead of "most admired political figure" (to which I used to have fun saying the Statue of Liberty). And "last book read" instead of "favorite book" (to which I tried to have fun last year (they refused to print it) saying "How the Grinch Stole the Election"). But I happen to know that the Herald-Sun is in fact rather sympathetic to my de-rigging propaganda. And boy are they generous with their Votebook space (online and printed). >> Your opinion may vary. If so, you can even make it count in this >> race. Presuming you become a registered Durham voter in time. > > Not bloody likely. Too settled in Wake, sorry. Oh, that's fine, but then you should stop beating me up <*sniff*> for spending my $122 advertising as my oddball strategizing sees fit, and instead figure out whom you're gonna vote for at your own polls. :-) You've been reading my incessant focus on the fraudulent elections so much that it really is tiring to you. Realize that the people I was AIMING for, with my admittedly unconventional response to that Votebook question, are the many folks who have never heard of the issue before. > The _Independent_ gave you a >nice clause in their writeup, I thought (right after they dismissed you as a >reasonable candidate). Hey now, they didn't insinuate I was non-reasonable. They dismissed me (and Jeffrey White) as being not -knowledeable- enough. That clarified, I definitely agree they were kind to close with, ..."though Ubinger has successfully brought attention to civil liberties issues." All in all I think my campaigns are doing all right at keeping people aware of my and my party's names and positions. Barbara Howe got a similar "honorable mention" from the Independent last year (in the Goob race). They endorsed Easley, but remarked that for single-issue anti-death-penalty voters Barbara was definitely the name to pick. Ray U.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 101acf,d4bc7df60cc065ed X-Google-Attributes: gid101acf,public X-Google-Thread: 108a25,d4bc7df60cc065ed X-Google-Attributes: gid108a25,public X-Google-Thread: 114e5f,d4bc7df60cc065ed X-Google-Attributes: gid114e5f,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-10-02 19:01:49 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!206.252.192.28!news.stealth.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!usenet From: rcuSPAMFOIL@duke.edu (Ray Ubinger) Newsgroups: triangle.general,duke.general,triangle.politics Subject: Re: Ubinger for Durham City Council Followup-To: triangle.general Date: 2 Oct 2001 22:01:43 -0400 Organization: Duke University, Durham, NC Lines: 138 Message-ID: <9pdri7$fv7@news.duke.edu> References: <9pcqpb$j3a@news.duke.edu> <B7DF6A7F.255D0%susan_hogarth@tribeagles.org> <9pd30s$nv8@news.duke.edu> <B7DFC7DC.256A7%susan_hogarth@tribeagles.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: godzilla3.acpub.duke.edu X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999)