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"Stefan Wolfe" <stefan@eml.com> wrote in message
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> "George Conklin" <nil@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> >  If there were not jobs begging for people to take them, we would not
have
> > immigrants.
> >
> >  I have a house opposite a Xmas tree farm. The WASP
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> WASP = Racist comment. You could have left that out.

No, they are WASPs.  FAct.

>
> > owners work like dogs
> > on the land, but without a crew of Mexicans working with them, we would
> > not
> > have our Xmas trees either.  They pay $9 an hour for the Mexicans, but
> > could
> > pay local labor about $6, but there are no locals interested,
>
> Wait a minute. If they have to pay mexican illegals $9.00 but they 'could'
> pay locals $6.00, how so?

It is the law.

 Do you mean that they would have to pay $9.00 for
> locals minus $3.00 for taxes, social security and unemployment taxes which
> gives locals a net $6.00? No wonder the job wouild be more attractive to
> illegals, they make more money because they pay no taxes. Is that your
> point?
>
> > nor do locals have the skills.
>
> For decent pay, people will learn the skills involved in farm work.
>

   Not true so far.


> >Yes, Xmas trees are labor-intensive, but I tried to help
> > out at harvest time last year, and could not do the phyical labor.
>
> But you must have known that the harvest would be hard physical labor,
> otherwise you have never gotten your hands calloused before. Was this the
> first time you tried physical labor? You might be from up North and have a
> romantic view of hard labor.

   I have no romantic views of labor.  Just can't lift an 8' tree anymore.


 It is not fun, has a low market value and is
> mostly suitable for example, for young people trying to work through
> college. But now it is just another labor market for low IQ illegal
aliens.
> I would encourage the former as it is good for the economy and the
country.
> As to the latter I am adamantly opposed. Many people in my younger years
> helped finance college with the Christmas tree harvest. But they paid the
> taxes, didn't drain the society by overloading the schools and emergency
> rooms and they contributed net positive to society.
>

    Young people would have to stop college to harvest trees.  You can't do
it at night.


> > It is
> > tough work.
>
> The market value of which is a tax-free $9:00/hr, more for tax-paying
> Americans who, due to tax laws being enforced upon them alone, could never
> hope to receive the equivalent.
>
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