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Renee Dauven <promine@web-ster.com> wrote in message news:<10od5eh977hk14@corp.supernews.com>...
> Gregor wrote:
> 
> > Renee Dauven <promine@web-ster.com>   wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>Gregor wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Apparently you have swallowed the distorted Republican Party line
> >>>about Kerry's record.  
> >>
> >>	Gregor, it is not some "distorted Republican Party" line.  It happens 
> >>to be the truth.
> > 
> > 
> > It is disingenuous in the extreme to take a few votes out of context
> > and paint an inaccurate picture of the man.  
> 
> 	I'm not talking about just a "few" votes...I'm talking about an 
> attitude which has translated into actions over a long, long time.  I am 
> talking about not just his voting record but the attendence record, 
> attendence not just at the potholes in the federal highways system but 
> at some of the most important committees which decide the most important 
> issues the nation faces.  He has rather consistently shown an amount of 
> disrespect for the voters that he represents by failing to attend to the 
> nation's business.
> 
>  > But then I applaud all manner of whistleblowers as I do not believe
>  > the ends justify the means.
> 
> 	Then you are truly campaigning for the wrong man, particularly if you 
> think that "The Winter Soldiers" thingy was a sterling example of 
> whistleblowing.  It was faked from top to bottom and the testimony that 
> Kerry gave to Congress was equally dishonest.  Rather than a 
> whistleblower, John Kerry was a perjurer.
> 
> >>>John Kerry is an American patriot, 
> >>
> >>	John Kerry doesn't even have a concept of patriotism, let alone a heart 
> >>felt sense of it.
> > 
> > 
> > I believe it was patriotic in the extreme of young John Kerry to speak
> > up against the war in Vietnam after his return. 
> 
> 	Well, that will have to be an argument for another day, at least in 
> regards to the anti-war movement in general.  As to John Kerry, his two 
> trips to Paris (and the planned third that didn't happen) show that he 
> was not patriotic at all.  He knowingly worked against his own country 
> and trying to wallpaper his motives does nothing to mitigate his 
> actions.  Those actions were actually treasonous.  That they were not 
> treated as such shows, not the rightness of his cause, but the magnamity 
> of the majority of Americans and their willingness to overlook it as 
> long as he wasn't trying to become president.  Now he is and I think 
> that those actions do have a proper place in the electorate's judgment 
> of the type of man he is.
> 
> Renee L. Dauven

Baloney on the "treasonous" part. The anti-Vietnam movement was a good
thing, considering that without it we might still be in Vietnam and
that would mean still fighting there. Do you think we could have
turned Vietnam into a democracy?

And as for GWB: Even if Iraq is a good war, meaning good to go in and
get
Saddam, did that justify lying to us? Didn't they lie about those
aluminum tubes? About Saddam getting or trying to get uranium from
Africa? And who was responsible for Abu Ghraib? Just the low-level
troops that were at the prison? And which administration was
responsible for the deliberate leaking of the identity of a US Cia
spy, when the only cause was that her husband had opposed the Bush
administration on the claim that Saddam had gotten uranium from
Africa.


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