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ken_andor_kathy@yahoo.com (The Smiths) wrote in 
news:755eff52.0310121056.49b67194@posting.google.com:

> They didn't do a damn thing, after all.  

They didn't?  FEMA was in charge of the debris search in Texas and 
Louisiana, covering an area of several thousand square miles, over a period 
of almost three months, involving several thousand people. The actual 
searchers were mostly US Forest Service (with one NASA and one EPA person 
per search team), but it was FEMA running the debris collection centers and 
writing the checks.

> Or maybe you peoples know something I don't.  Educate me. 

I'd like to see a verifiable reference for your $25B figure. If you mean 
"billion", that sounds about two orders of magnitude too high.

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In article <Xns9412909F9DD4jrfrank@216.39.221.8>, Jorge R. Frank <jrfrank@ibm-pc.borg> wrote:
> 
>> Or maybe you peoples know something I don't.  Educate me. 
> 
> I'd like to see a verifiable reference for your $25B figure. If you mean 
> "billion", that sounds about two orders of magnitude too high.

I can't find it now, but yeah, was a recent article (Perhaps from the
Houston Chronicle?) where it stated that the expected cost to FEMA for the
manpower-intensive search across the states for months was in the
neighborhood of about $200 to $250 million, and could be higher if more
information is tallied and additional requests from the states submitted.

For the FEMA - that's definitely about 1% of the claimed $25B figure (or
'two orders of magnitude' as Jorge put it). Whomever told the original
poster that $25B figure for the Columbia accident is pulling their leg.

At least another $150-200M or so, NASA also has to pick up due to the
Columbia Accident Investigation Board (CAIB) costs and other
accident-related expenses.

Perhaps the $25B is the total FEMA agency budget for the entire year,
spanning all possible disasters? That's the only way I can even imagine
such a large number. Incidentally, that number is about twice of NASA's
*entire* annual budget (for manned and unmanned space programs as well as
aeronautical research).

-Dan

In article <slrnbojbcp.rkp.dsf@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>, Dan Foster wrote:
>> 
>> I'd like to see a verifiable reference for your $25B figure. If you mean 
>> "billion", that sounds about two orders of magnitude too high.
> 
> I can't find it now, but yeah, was a recent article (Perhaps from the
> Houston Chronicle?) where it stated that the expected cost to FEMA for the
> manpower-intensive search across the states for months was in the
> neighborhood of about $200 to $250 million, and could be higher if more
> information is tallied and additional requests from the states submitted.

CAIB Report, Vol. I, pp 47:

"The Federal Emergency Management Agency, which directed the overall
[debris recovery] effort, expended more than $305 million to fund the
search. This cost does not include what NASA spent on aircraft support
or the wages of hundreds of civil servants employed at the recovery area
and in analysis roles at NASA centers."

$25 billion, at a guess, is closer to the cost of the program since
Challenger than the cost to clean up after Columbia. The FY 2003 budget
for FEMA is $6.4bn, in fact...

-- 
-Andrew Gray
 shimgray@bigfoot.com

posting.google.com yet again...

--
Alan Erskine
alanerskine(at)optusnet.com.au

The U.S. Government is in the
peculiar position of toppling foreign
governments in the name of democracy.

Oh, how democractic!

"The Smiths" <ken_andor_kathy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:755eff52.0310121056.49b67194@posting.google.com...
> They didn't do a damn thing, after all.
>
> Or maybe you peoples know something I don't.  Educate me.
>
> Ken

"Jorge R. Frank" <jrfrank@ibm-pc.borg> (oh he's won of those wonderful fuckin' IBMer's) wrote in message 
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> ken_andor_kathy@yahoo.com (The Smiths) wrote in 
> news:755eff52.0310121056.49b67194@posting.google.com:
> 
> > They didn't do a damn thing, after all.  
> 
> They didn't?  FEMA was in charge of the debris search in Texas and 
> Louisiana, covering an area of several thousand square miles, over a period 
> of almost three months, involving several thousand people. The actual 
> searchers were mostly US Forest Service (with one NASA and one EPA person 
> per search team), but it was FEMA running the debris collection centers and 
> writing the checks.
> 
> > Or maybe you peoples know something I don't.  Educate me. 
> 
> I'd like to see a verifiable reference for your $25B figure. If you mean 
> "billion", that sounds about two orders of magnitude too high.

Ken asked me to take care of his light work on this.  

How exactly do YOU benefit from the government involvement in these
staged events?  Contractor?  Worker for a wonderful company like IBM -
a unindicted co-conspirator for all the evils they have helped
facilitate?

The information related to us - by fox news, no less - was that the
bill for the shuttle disaster was $75B, and that FEMA had accounted
for $25B of that.

Sounds like all those people you name who were working so hard in the
search of "truth" were out there having a party in Texas.  Wonder if
it included any pig-pickin's there in Crawford.

A friend of mine got some of that space junk for a song from a dealer
down in Texas.  One of about 100 pieces that dude had, was what my
friend told me.  And that dude had some friends.... it goes on and on.

That song and dance the federal government gave us about the
volatility of the junk was just their way of TRYING to keep us small. 
Don't EVAH forget it people - we are the bosses of these people and we
are going to be holding them accountable for the error of their ways
AND their other excesses.

And as for anyone arguing that no citizens should have any of the
space junk just remember that we are the ones that paid for it, the
government that allowed it to happen and the government that
double-billed us for all their monday morning quarterbacking.


So Jorge,
Come on down to North Carolina and get the asswhuppin' you have coming
to you.  And bring all your fuckin' yankee buddies wit'cha too. Bring
your expense cards with all of youse though, cause it's gonna take you
a few of those continential breakfasts before you bring us to heel. 
And you might better bring some pine boxes for your friends too! 
They'll need them for the ride back home.

Is that strong enough for you or would you like to come back for some
second helpings.

Kathy

"Alan Erskine" <alanerskine@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<3f8a23f7$0$30614$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>...
> posting.google.com yet again...

you got a problem with it kangaroo?  

> 
> --
> Alan Erskine
> alanerskine(at)optusnet.com.au
> 
> The U.S. Government is in the
> peculiar position of toppling foreign
> governments in the name of democracy.
> 
> Oh, how democractic!
> 
> "The Smiths" <ken_andor_kathy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:755eff52.0310121056.49b67194@posting.google.com...
> > They didn't do a damn thing, after all.
> >
> > Or maybe you peoples know something I don't.  Educate me.
> >
> > Ken

"The Smiths" <ken_andor_kathy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:755eff52.0310141546.6f94f3de@posting.google.com...
> The information related to us - by fox news, no less - was that the
> bill for the shuttle disaster was $75B, and that FEMA had accounted
> for $25B of that.
>

Fine.  Show us a URL then.

> Sounds like all those people you name who were working so hard in the
> search of "truth" were out there having a party in Texas.  Wonder if
> it included any pig-pickin's there in Crawford.
>
> A friend of mine got some of that space junk for a song from a dealer
> down in Texas.  One of about 100 pieces that dude had, was what my
> friend told me.  And that dude had some friends.... it goes on and on.

In other words, you're advertising that your friend committed a felony.
Nice friend.

ken_andor_kathy@yahoo.com (The Smiths) wrote in
news:755eff52.0310141546.6f94f3de@posting.google.com: 

> The information related to us - by fox news, no less - was that the
> bill for the shuttle disaster was $75B, and that FEMA had accounted
> for $25B of that.

I'd like to see a reference, then.  Fox News has an archive of their news 
stories on their web site, and I found no article that supports such a 
figure. The AP, Washington Times, Newsday, Houston Chronicle, and many 
other sources cite a figure of $400 million, of which around $250 million 
was FEMA.

> A friend of mine got some of that space junk for a song from a dealer
> down in Texas.  One of about 100 pieces that dude had, was what my
> friend told me.  And that dude had some friends.... it goes on and on.

Better make sure the FBI doesn't find out. I'm sure your friend will thank 
you for ratting him out.

> That song and dance the federal government gave us about the
> volatility of the junk was just their way of TRYING to keep us small.

I wouldn't bet on it.  A little nitrogen tetroxide can ruin your whole day.

-- 
JRF

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In article <755eff52.0310141546.6f94f3de@posting.google.com>,
 ken_andor_kathy@yahoo.com (The Smiths) wrote:

>
 
(Snipped a bunch of factually incorrect, arrogantly ignorant, and 
maliciously stupid nonsense)

Please, just do us all a favor and stop cross-posting your spewage to 
sci.space.shuttle.

<PLONK!>

-- 
Herb Schaltegger, B.S., J.D.
Reformed Aerospace Engineer
"Heisenberg might have been here."
     ~ Anonymous