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I am very interested in evolution also.....please post any response to =
this.
Thanks
Greg
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 ljaques@odyssey.on.ca wrote in article =
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I have read various books on evolution and the early earth and here's
my interpration.  Please correct and help me get the FACTS straight.

The early earth had an atmosphere of: water vapor, carbon dioxide,
phosphate
salts, lightning, UV radiation, and lots of heat.  All this helped to
create amino acids, fatty lipids, nucleotide bases, mineral salts all
falling
together to form a thick soup over many years.  The amino acids, when
activated
by the energy of the atmosphere (lightning, UV), behaved like magnets
and
began to attract to one another in various orders helping to form
various
types of proteins.  At the same time, the 4 nucleotide bases (A,T,G,C)

combined with sugar phosphates and with energy from the atmosphere
began to
drift randomly to join and form a nucleic acid chain.  Soon the
complimentary
side of the nucleic acid chain joined to make the chain more stable
forming
the DNA double stranded chain.

Some of the various proteins being formed turned out to be useful.
Some could
check out the nucleic acid chain and begin transcribing it to an
equivalent
amino acid sequence (a new protein).  Also, despite the fact that the
nucleic
acid chain could self replicate by easily attracting a complimentary
nucleotide base (A<->T, G<->C), some proteins helped improve the
replication
dramatically in speed and accuracy.  By luck, fatty lipids formed
around some
DNA chains and proteins thereby helping to make them contained in a
less
erratic environment.  As time goes on, many DNA chains and proteins
are wiped
out by the violent soup and atmosphere but some continue to survive.

By luck, through various DNA replication errors, various new useful
proteins
come about for a cell helping in its coninued survival.  These
proteins give
the cell an edge over other cells and this cell is able to replicate
its
offspring quicker and better than everyone else.  Soon this cell and
its
offspring become the dominate while the others die off.  Thanks to
replication
errors, radiation, chemicals, random adding/deleting because of the
violent
enviroment/an enzyme, etc. the DNA chain gets many variations in its
sequence
and expands in size.  With the changing DNA code comes more variety to
help the
cell survive and dominate.

The cell (bacteria like) soon becomes more and more complex in its
continued game of survive
and thrive in this certain environment.  With incredible mutations and
replications
over many millions of years and the enviroment playing the unforgiving
NATURAL
SELECTOR of who is best fit for the environment to continue and
dominate, incredibly complex
organisms appear such as fish.  Eventually over many more years
mutation
and fittest offspring lead to the land animals...


Is the above an accurate portrayal of how life began or did I mess up
(a bit)
somewhere?

Please, if you can correct me, I'd be forever in debt to you.  THANKS!
[Could you reply to me through EMAIL, thanks]

Jim.
(ljaques@odyssey.on.ca)






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<HTML><BODY><FONT size=3D2>I have read various books on evolution and =
the early=20
earth and here's<BR>
my interpration.&nbsp; Please correct and help me get the FACTS =
straight.<BR>
<BR>
The early earth had an atmosphere of: water vapor, carbon dioxide,<BR>
phosphate<BR>
salts, lightning, UV radiation, and lots of heat.&nbsp; All this helped =
to<BR>
create amino acids, fatty lipids, nucleotide bases, mineral salts =
all<BR>
falling<BR>
together to form a thick soup over many years.&nbsp; The amino acids, =
when<BR>
activated<BR>
by the energy of the atmosphere (lightning, UV), behaved like =
magnets<BR>
and<BR>
began to attract to one another in various orders helping to form<BR>
various<BR>
types of proteins.&nbsp; At the same time, the 4 nucleotide bases =
(A,T,G,C)<BR>
<BR>
combined with sugar phosphates and with energy from the atmosphere<BR>
began to<BR>
drift randomly to join and form a nucleic acid chain.&nbsp; Soon the<BR>
complimentary<BR>
side of the nucleic acid chain joined to make the chain more stable<BR>
forming<BR>
the DNA double stranded chain.<BR>
<BR>
Some of the various proteins being formed turned out to be useful.<BR>
Some could<BR>
check out the nucleic acid chain and begin transcribing it to an<BR>
equivalent<BR>
amino acid sequence (a new protein).&nbsp; Also, despite the fact that =
the<BR>
nucleic<BR>
acid chain could self replicate by easily attracting a complimentary<BR>
nucleotide base (A&lt;-&gt;T, G&lt;-&gt;C), some proteins helped improve =
the<BR>
replication<BR>
dramatically in speed and accuracy.&nbsp; By luck, fatty lipids =
formed<BR>
around some<BR>
DNA chains and proteins thereby helping to make them contained in a<BR>
less<BR>
erratic environment.&nbsp; As time goes on, many DNA chains and =
proteins<BR>
are wiped<BR>
out by the violent soup and atmosphere but some continue to survive.<BR>
<BR>
By luck, through various DNA replication errors, various new useful<BR>
proteins<BR>
come about for a cell helping in its coninued survival.&nbsp; These<BR>
proteins give<BR>
the cell an edge over other cells and this cell is able to replicate<BR>
its<BR>
offspring quicker and better than everyone else.&nbsp; Soon this cell =
and<BR>
its<BR>
offspring become the dominate while the others die off.&nbsp; Thanks =
to<BR>
replication<BR>
errors, radiation, chemicals, random adding/deleting because of the<BR>
violent<BR>
enviroment/an enzyme, etc. the DNA chain gets many variations in its<BR>
sequence<BR>
and expands in size.&nbsp; With the changing DNA code comes more variety =
to<BR>
help the<BR>
cell survive and dominate.<BR>
<BR>
The cell (bacteria like) soon becomes more and more complex in its<BR>
continued game of survive<BR>
and thrive in this certain environment.&nbsp; With incredible mutations =
and<BR>
replications<BR>
over many millions of years and the enviroment playing the =
unforgiving<BR>
NATURAL<BR>
SELECTOR of who is best fit for the environment to continue and<BR>
dominate, incredibly complex<BR>
organisms appear such as fish.&nbsp; Eventually over many more years<BR>
mutation<BR>
and fittest offspring lead to the land animals...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Is the above an accurate portrayal of how life began or did I mess =
up<BR>
(a bit)<BR>
somewhere?<BR>
<BR>
Please, if you can correct me, I'd be forever in debt to you.&nbsp; =
THANKS!<BR>
[Could you reply to me through EMAIL, thanks]<BR>
<BR>
Jim.<BR>
(<A href=3D"mailto:ljaques@odyssey.on.ca">ljaques@odyssey.on.ca</A>)<BR>
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You did not start at the very beginning.  If anyone can answer this
question, I'll probably believe evolution. 
 Here is the question, 
IF you take every single evolutionary change backwards.  From what did
the whole process begin, and WHERE did that (atom?) come from?

Now if you want to believe that slime on a rock, or as you called it
soup, evolved into you and me fine.  
If you want toe believe that there have been mutations that are
beneficial and lasting, fine. 
 If you want to allow for the environment to make choices, luck, and
good mistakes in your evolutionary past, fine.  
I would prefer that an all-knowing God simply created everything out
of nothing. 
 In your line of thinking at some point something had to appear from
nothing.  
Answer that and I'll seriously consider my beliefs.
Rmcleod

Can we please get this discussion out of bionet.microbiology and try
leaving it talk.origins where it belongs.

Thanks

Regards

Gary

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Microbiologists do it with culture and sensitivity 
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E-mail me at glum@ozemail.com.au or gary.lum@nt.gov.au

Rmcleod wrote:

> IF you take every single evolutionary change backwards.  From what did
> the whole process begin, and WHERE did that (atom?) come from?

OK, so if you can answer one single question, I might believe
in creationism:  Where did god come from?  You see, it is the same
kind of a question, really.  However, we know that evolution takes
place within species.  By extrapolation we can conclude that
it takes place between species.  IN fact, there is good evidence
that it has taken place.

OTOH, there is no logical evidence that creation took place.

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