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Article #135Re: Car licensing fees
From: Chris Moller
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:14
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:14
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In article <1992Aug14.022300.5331@mercury.unt.edu>, ian@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Ian Parberry) writes: |>> I've so far kept my lip zipped since my last posting. This response, however, |>> is too tempting. |>> |>> In article <1992Aug12.144201.5381@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> moller@netmail.austin.ibm.com writes: |>> |>> >Nothing self-evident about it. In fact, what is self-evident is that having |>> >roughly half of of our respective incomes stolen by various levels of govern- |>> >ment is utterly outrageous. |>> |>> That is not self-evident. Where is your figure of "half" from? |>> And exactly how is it stolen? "Roughly half" is from a number of sources, but the only one I have here in my office is a 1991 almanac which shows national "Tax Freedom Day" for 1990 as occurring on 5 May, or about 34% of the year. Tax Freedom Day "is the day on which the American taxpayer will have earned enough money to pay his 1990 total taxes." The number, however, does not include indirect taxation such as cor- porate taxes passed along to consumers as part of retail prices. As I recall, Tax Freedom Day was a week or so later in 1992 than it was in 1990. "Roughly half" is exactly that: "rough". But the number is _at_least_ a third and, including the other factors, "half" seems perfectly reasonable. Or perhaps perfectly UNreasonable. As to "stolen", well, to start with, they threaten you with various sorts of fines and imprisonment if you even try to refuse to pay taxes; maybe "extorted" would be a better word than "stolen", but the effect is the same: money is taken from the citizenry by force or threat of force. [...] |>> The naive solution is to let the individual taxpayer |>> choose, but of course the bureaucratic overhead for maintaining such a system |>> of choice could mean that it will cost more than the present system. Considering the unbelievable quantity of data handled by the Federal IRS, as well as all the state taxing agencies, I doubt if the overhaed would be sig- nificantly greater than what it is now. |>> Besides, |>> the average taxpayer is as thick as two short planks, and probably not capable |>> of making rational decisions on where their tax money goes (current company |>> excepted, of course). No argument there. From what I keep seeing in the news, the "average taxpayer" may not be capable of _reading_, let alone making rational decisions. But the current system doesn't seem to encourage governments to make rational decisions either. What it does encourage is a process wherein politicians promise mira- cles, deliver mediocrity, and at tremendous cost. [...] |>> >|>> The service is reasonable. |>> > The "service" is excessive, inefficiently |>> > applied, over-bearing, intrusive, frequently |>> > unnecessary, and not infrequently detrimental |>> > to the welfare of the public it is intended |>> > to serve. |>> |>> Perhaps that is inherent in all forms of government. I've yet to see |>> a government of a large, diverse nation that is any different. Now, _that's_ depressing. |>> ____ |>> Ian Parberry ian@ponder.csci.unt.edu (817) 565-2845 Dept. of Computer Sciences, |>> Univ. of North Texas, P.O. Box 13886, Denton, TX 76203-3886 |>> "Bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of an expanding bureaucracy" -- IBM pays absolutely no attention to my | "The trouble with this country is opinions, ergo the foregoing cannot | that there are too many people possibly represent its position. | going about saying, 'The trouble | with this country is --'" Christian H. L. Moller | -- Sinclair Lewis
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!news.dell.com!natinst.com!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!ibmchs!auschs!awdprime.austin.ibm.com!root From: root@netmail.austin.ibm.com (Chris Moller) Newsgroups: tx.general Subject: Re: Car licensing fees Message-ID: <1992Aug19.151440.15048@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> Date: 19 Aug 92 15:14:40 GMT References: <1992Aug4.231106.16911@montagar.lonestar.org> <1992Aug5.221146.24012@mercury.unt.edu> <1992Aug12.144201.5381@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> <1992Aug14.022300.5331@mercury.unt.edu> Sender: news@awdprime.austin.ibm.com (USENET News) Reply-To: moller@netmail.austin.ibm.com Distribution: tx Organization: As little as I can get away with. Lines: 76