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vonroach (hadrainc@earthlink.net) wrote:
: On Sun, 2 May 2004 04:50:57 +0000 (UTC), Merlin Dorfman
: <dorfman@rahul.net> wrote:

: >vonroach (hadrainc@earthlink.net) wrote:
: >: On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:53:13 +0000 (UTC), Merlin Dorfman
: >: <dorfman@rahul.net> wrote:
: >
: >: >     My problem apparently is that I take a general statement
: >: >as a generality.  A specific statement (e.g., "You, Roachie, are
: >: >not too bright") is not a slur against any group.  It is the
: >: >general statement ("tribal sophistry") that is indeed a slur
: >: >against an entire group.
: >
: >: More tribal sophistry and xenophobia : insult all non tribal peoples.
: >
: >     Please explain how "You, Roachie, are not too bright" is an
: >insult to all "non-tribal peoples."  

: It is an insult directed at a person who is not a member of your tribe
: - namely me.

     As you say, it is directed at you, as an individual, not at
any other individual and not at all individuals who are not members 
of my "tribe."

: >t is, in fact, as intended, a
: >perfect example of a slur against one individual, not against any
: >group or against everybody except one group.
: >     "Tribal sophistry an xenophobia," however, is a perfect
: >example of an insult to all "tribal" people.

: Nope, it is statement of the reality that prevails. 

     Regardless of its truth or falsity, it is an example of
an insult to the "tribal" people.
     Or are you saying that an insult isn't an insult if it's
true?  Because that changes the subject completely...and leads
me to reiterate the question you say I should have asked.

: >: I iterate the term `tribal sophistry' was intended to apply to the
: >: group in general, it does not rule out a few exceptions - but you do
: >: not individually appear to be an exception. And I iterate sophistry
: >: does imply plausible but faulty and misleading. And clannish, yes that
: >: is a characteristic of tribes anywhere they occur.
: >
: >     Some of your best friends are tribal people who do not exhibit
: >the typical tribal sophistry and xenophobia?

: I did not make or infer that old saw.  I believe anyone who utters it
: is suspect.

     Finally something we can agree on.

: >     I would also like you to elaborate on who are "tribal peoples"
: >and who are not.  It would seem that everybody is a member of some
: >tribe or other.

: Many clannish people are members of a `tribe'.  In the present
: instance, it is my impression that we are discussing the jewish tribe,

     I inferred that that is what you meant by your bigoted
remarks.

: since they were the subject of your remarks and `questions'. Not all
: peoples are quite so clannish.  Certainly palestinians and arab
: terrorists seem to be.

     Are all Palestinians and Arab terrorists members of the same
tribe?  Or how many different tribes?
     Is everybody a member of some tribe or other?