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"Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" <fbonsignore@beethoven.com> wrote in message
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> "Alan S" <nomail@home.net> wrote in message
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> > "Reason finds it's complete expression as a search mechanism..."?
> >
> > Reason searched among the possibilities offered by Reality, given the
> limitations this Reality contains, and found a way to fly, actually
> several ways: airplanes, gliders, parachutes, rockets, helicopters,
> honchi...

A definition of reason is important here:
>  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&oi=defmore&q=define:reason

Reason is not an entity. Reason is a result.

> >What a
> > load of mental masturbation. That reads like a divorce decree on LSD. It
> > never ceases to amaze me the lengths that people go to serve themselves.
> > There are some interesting points buried in the ballyhoo but the most
>
> Insulting.

My apologies.
>
> > interesting thing is that in this observance of human existence in an
> > unpredictable and sometimes hostile environment fails to examine the
ego,
>
> In what way should we examine the ego? Ego-bound possibilities are
> also possiblities that reason must search. This search is the Delphi
> maxim of the greek, exploration within. Reason is still a search
> mechanism.
>
A definition of ego is important here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=define%3Aego&btnG=Search

The awareness of self dictates that we as individuals are relegated to
seeing 'reality' on our own terms. The person that finds any aspect of
reasoning (whether they find agreement amongst other individuals or not) is
simply using reason as a coping mechanism. Coping might lead to searching
but they are not the same.

The ego is the reason that the ability to reason exists in the first place
> > i.e.-why people think about their existence in the first place. This
idea
> > that we are at odds with the "non-living" makes me think the guy stubbed
his
> > toe the morning he wrote that. While it is true that the trials of
living in
> > this world of living and non-living things often puts us in situations
> > beyond our control, this notion that justifying our existence by
prevailing
> > over the non-living is only a piece of the puzzle. What about food? We
eat
> > stuff that we kill. What about inspiration? Love is a powerful
motivator.
> > What about joy, personal accomplishment, spirituality, the instinct to
> > procreate,...the list can go on and on. People often see the
checkerboard
> > without seeing the frame around it. Yes it is a chaotic Universe, no we
will
> > never understand it.

> We will never understand it *completely*, but even the understanding
> of limitations is understanding.

Agreed, however, the basis of the original post was a statement describing
an observance that reality is easily boiled down to a black and white
concept. In my experience, reality is often grey. The myriad of
circumstances that all of us deal with on a daily basis makes for an
environment that is inherantly subjective. We cope as well as we can. Which
brings us to the point that even if we are in agreement in anything, we are
still subject to the limits of our understanding whether we as individuals
know what the limits are or not. There is always a bigger picture.
Acceptance is the key to freedom.

> >All the effort in this piece spent trying to define
> > reality also fails to address the truth that reality is completely
neutral.
> > For example, say we are both sitting in a room with a ball on a table. I
see
> > one side of it and you see another. We both agree that it is real, but
both
> > of us are seeing different things because we are on different sides of
it.
> > The ball is real, it's our interpretation that is subjective.
>
> That`s the inherent specifity of Life: a totally unique and
> irrepetible poit of view for each living rational and non-reational
> being that ever existed.

Yes.
>
> >This knowledge
> > is applicable in that the truth is what it is, and even if it appears to
be
> > a complex quagmire of never ending questions, it's really simple, you
either
> > know it or you don't.
>
> See my theory of beliefs, though it is more a model of interaction and
> propagation than a theory.

Once again, reality is neutral. Believeing or not believeing is moot in the
face of reality (is that what you are saying when you refer to interaction
and propagation?). Truth stands all by itself. My point is that knowing
limitations is essential if one wants to excel, knowing how to navigate
those limitations is essential if one wants to succeed. This truth is not
exclusive to humans, all life forms must find this awareness or they will
sucumb to either the living or non-living forces that are prevalent on a
daily basis. Beyond all that, sometimes we get lucky (enter the grey again).
Aint life a trip?
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