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On 18 Sep 2001 16:44:36 GMT, srt@nospam.unt.edu wrote:

>Monte <montep@about.com> wrote:
>
>> I have seen no groups of American Muslims waving American flags!  I
>> have not seen Muslims grabbing a microphone from a reporter to
>> tearfully declare his love and support of the United States!  The only
>> Muslims I have seen are those whimpering about their own safety.  
>
>That's funny -- you must not be watching the same news that I am.  I
>have seen American Muslims waving American flags, and have seen many
>that have been interviewed that have been very upset about what
>happened, including some that lost family members.  

Nope, I did not see that.  I have seen scores of Muslims interviewed
and condemning the attack.  I have seen as many explaining that it is
un-Islamic to take life.  But I honestly in all those hours of
coverage did not see or notice Muslims ever waving an American flag
or stating that they supported the U.S.

Please give a specific newscast or at least news organization that had
such scenes.  If in fact it occured I cheer those Muslims.  That is
all I have ever made a point about, all any Muslim has to do to win
back my and many other Americans trust is DEMONSTRATE it.  Do not
simply condemn the acts.  Support us, join us. Make a REAL not some
symbolic act towards eliminating terrorists and the attitudes which
allow it to grow and flourish.

Secondly, I find it repugnant to read the 'touchy-feely' drivel of the
'time-out' set.  Who simply love unquestionably every member of every
group or culture that they think is downtrodden.  Isn't it odd that
most of those people live upscale lives in areas far removed from the
smell, and degradation they so wholeheartedly want to preserve.  For
that in the end would be the result if they got there wish.  It fails
to dawn on them that those cultures are not a result of Americas
action.  

Think for a moment, if Americans destroyed, defiled, reduced to
animalism it's real or perceived enemies then Germany would be in mud
huts.  The Japanese would be in worse shape than a Bantu in Somalia.
Countries and cultures survive and flourish and rebuild to the level
their own beliefs allow.

I do not expect, nor would I respect anyone in another country to
adopt American standards and to pleadge their loyalty to the U.S.  But
when they enter America and become citizens, they have taken an oath.
I expect those new citizens to live up to that oath.  No, I do not ask
that level from visitors or even those on visa, but I do expect it of
the citizen. 

You spoke of seeing a Muslim, perhaps many on the TV who waved the
flag.  I diddn't, but I did see hundreds of asians, Vietnamese,
Koreans, Thais, Chinese, Jaapanese, Philipinos, not to mention every
latino it seemed in the hemisphere was ther supporting us.  All of
these people individually or collectively have a valid grievance of
one sort or another against the United States, yet there they all are
waving flags, crying, cheering, supporting America.  

It is you, the quick apologists who are making things harder for the
Muslim, you who anger rational people with your all encompassing
rhetoric of forgiveness and conciliation.  For those with a better
memory of history conciliating Hitler did not lead to peace, only
holocaust. You would send all of us skeptics to a sensitivity school
on how to tolerate extremists, and you would argue that by tolerating
their idiosyncratic prediliction with murdering all of us they will
soon learn how wonderfully loving we all are.  Yes, I have know doubt
those fanatics would say we are now loving people now that they have
sent us all to Muslim hell to atone for our sins. 

What rational human would walk up to any obviously Muslim stranger now
and throw their arms around them, invite them home to dinner with the
spouse and children, make them guests.  You would not, because some,
maybe a tiny minority are killers, murderers.  How are we to know who
is who unless the Muslim shows us?

Quit calling those like myself bigots, warmongers etc and look at what
we are arguing.  It is not as your kneejerk irrationality percieves,
we are asking for commonsense assurance and signs of real support and
co-operation. I do not care what my neighbors color, race or religion
is.  I only want assurance they are not a murdering fanatic.  Is that
so much to ask?  

Now having addressed some of the issue as civilly as I am capable, I
would add this final remark.  All you 'touchy-feely' miscreant
products of drug damaged chromosomes can kiss my ass!

>I heard one
>American Muslim woman talking about going to a store to buy a
>U.S. flag after the incident, and seeing two friends, who she didn't
>recognize at first because they were not wearing their traditional
>Muslim garb (sorry, don't remember the name).  So part of what is
>happening is that many Muslims are afraid of the over-reaction to this
>event that they feel compelled to change their identity in order to
>"blend in" more.  That's pretty sad to me...
>
>There was also a large Arab/American demonstration in Brooklyn, but I
>guess you didn't see that either?  Open your eyes and pay attention!

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