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George Worley wrote:
> 
> In article <6plh0j$65p@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> on 28 Jul 1998 17:49:07 -0400, jjasen1@umbc.edu (John "E.R." Jasen)
> wrote:
> 
> >Merlin Dorfman <dorfman@netcom.com> wrote:
> >> John "E.R." Jasen (jjasen1@umbc.edu) wrote:
> >> : I'd like you to, at the very least, consider the actions of the partisans
> >> : in Europe, during WWII; the actions of the Warsaw Ghetto Jews in the same;
> >> : the actions of the Chinese Communists against the Japanese in the same;
> >> : the actions of the Chinese Communists against the Nationalist Army after
> >> : WWII; the actions of the IRA against the British; the actions of the PLO
> >> : against Israel; the actions of the Viet Cong and NVA against the French
> >> : and United States; the actions of the Algerian nationals against the
> >> : French ...
> >>
> >>      I'm not saying guerilla wars cannot be won, or at least
> >> stalemated which in the long run might be just as good.  I'm saying
> >> that in a war between a US military that is 100% loyal to the
> >> government and some armed civilians in the US, the military would
> >> win, but the destruction of property and among non-participating
> >> civilians would be horrendous.
> >
> >Define "some."
> >
> >I maintain that, if ten percent of the US population actively decided to
> >overthrow the government, that the conclusion is inevitable, even if 100%
> >of the military, National Guard, and reserves sided with the government.
> 
> Have you ever been in the military?  3/4ths of my life so far has been
> either around the military or in the military and I tell you from my
> experience that you don't have a chance against the US Military.

This may be part of your difficulty in understanding this - you've spent
insufficient time with civilians, and thus hold us in contempt. Look at it
this way. A tank is a fearsome thing. But so is an 18-wheeler going at 90 MPH.
And if every tank protects itself by shelling every 18-wheeler it sees, pretty
soon no food gets delivered. And while political oppression has never
guaranteed a mass uprising, famine has _always_ guaranteed a mass uprising.

> 
> >That would be on the order of 10 to 1 against the military, and they don't
> >have to play by the rules [see my comments on shards of glass in MREs and
> >klaatu's brief discourse on biological warfare].
> 
> MRE's like C-Rations are produced for about a 10 to 15 year supply
> before they run out.  Biological warfare would back fire on you and
> contaminate the land and water for you and future generations... it
> would make a lot of the land unusable for even the people that did the
> uprising.  Think about it.

Depends on the type, quality and scale of biological warfare. Rumor has it
that a nice strong head cold is a lot more effective than you'd think, and it
certainly doesn't destroy the landscape. Remember please that in no case would
decent citizens want to wipe out their own military, since in the first place,
that would leave the nation undefended against the militaries of other nations
which would doubtless seize instantly upon a chance to once-and-for-all
eliminate the US and its global nuclear capability. What the American civilian
would want, rather, is to ensure that the military was not only so miserable
as to not think of bothering civilians at the behest of a illegitimate or
tyrannical government, but _remained_ miserable enough to think about it a
long long time... while simultaneously aware that the misery could turn into
basking in untrammelled respect, love and admiration for turning on same said
tyrannical or illegitimate government.

In any case, it has long been known that it might be very easily possible to
conquer America, but not easily to occupy it. And it's We the People who make
sure of that last, not the military, which so long as it operated in any
main-scale force which could bring military efficiencies to bear, would be
speedily noticed and brough under fire. Rather, if one attack the US, one
attacks the entire population; for the entire population is armed and will
resist, and even with all available non-US aircraft pressed into use, it's
simply impossible to deliver sufficient occupation forces into the US, before
every "unorganized militia" member can be at-least-minimally trained through
military Basic, even if done totally on the run.

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