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In article <6pna7e$315@umbc8.umbc.edu>
on 29 Jul 1998 10:05:34 -0400, jjasen1@umbc.edu (John "E.R." Jasen)
wrote:

>George Worley <gworley@brokersys.com> wrote:
>> In article <35BE38C0.C3318E84@clark.net>
>> on Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:46:56 -0400, klaatu <klaatu@clark.net> wrote:
>> 
>> >Merlin Dorfman wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> John "E.R." Jasen (jjasen1@umbc.edu) wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> : A squad of soldiers, in the field, conducting operations, would probably
>> >> : be more than a bit to chew on for civilian revolutionaries.
>> >> 
>> >> : That same squad, in an offbase bar, would be cooked meat for one civilian
>> >> : revolutionary with a molotav cocktail, or for a few who know how to cook
>> >> : up explosives.
>> >> 
>> >> : A platoon of tanks would be a truly unhappy experience to deal with, on
>> >> : the field of battle, if all the opposition had were firearms and
>> >> : homecooked explosives.
>> >> 
>> >> : Tanks don't work as well if the commander, gunner and driver were murdered
>> >> : in their sleep the night before, or if the tanks were sabotaged or
>> >> : destroyed be infiltrators before they reached the field of battle.
>> >> 
>> >> : Same with aircraft.
>> >> 
>> >>      etc. etc.
>> >>      I think you've watched "Red Dawn" one time too many.
>> >
>> >I think yiu haven't watched it enough. Ever heard of the Mujaheddin, for
>> >example?
>> 
>> Me thinks that you live in some fantasy world that only works in the
>> movies.  I being a veteran and a son of 30 year high decorated soldier
>> living on military bases most of my life know as soon as the first
>> post is attacked or the first soldier is downed by a illegal action
>> such as you are advocating... all military bases and personnel will be
>> placed on full alert status and total lock down of secured sites such
>> as our nuclear silos, Norad, ammunition sites.  

>Ahh, so you cede that, in order for the military to survive such an
>uprising, they'd have to hunker down on their bases, and basically adopt a
>siege mentality?


Siege mentality?  No I didn't say that... if a some country was to
declare war on the US the response would be the same, lock the doors
on secure sites.... esp. those that had nuclear weapons... so that
only those that need to be there are there.  Just think about this for
a minute...  The citizens uprise against the government gain control
of a nuclear silo... our neighbors get a little nervous as they don't
know what is going on and launch an attack on missile bases (yes our
enemy knows were our missile bases are)... the missiles start for the
US but because of the melee Norad is unable to launch a counter attack
so one never gets launched... most US citizens died with a matter of
minutes after the blasts.  Those that survived the blasts will not
live long as they continue to get radiation poisoning.  Nothing that
you care for is left... do you really want this?  Start the process to
over throw our government by violent means and see what happens... you
not only have to fear the US Armed forces but you will have to deal
with our enemies as well.

>Indeed, while that would provide for the military for a while, I think the
>government behind it would be unhappy, as the rebels would then have run
>of the country.

The military's first objectives in such a siege would be to secure the
White House, the Capitol, and all of the rest of the government
buildings in Washington, DC. as well is secure the missile silos and
Norad.

You still live in a fantasy world as  even if 10 percent of the
civilian population started the uprising, you still have the other 90
percent to worry about a good majority of them that had guns and amo
would side with the government so you don't only have the military to
worry about but you have normal citizens taken pot shots at you as
well...

So you have 3 different enemies after you.  No way to win.  At best a
stalemate.