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In article <6pifh8$du6@umbc8.umbc.edu>
on 27 Jul 1998 14:05:28 -0400, jjasen1@umbc.edu (John "E.R." Jasen)
wrote:

>George Worley <gworley@brokersys.com> wrote:
>> In article <35B9FC7F.52CA@swbell.net>, tracey12@swbell.net says...

I am not going to argue true or false.... but

>> Forty-five percent of all gun deaths reported worldwide take place in
>> the United States,  which has the highest rate of gun deaths among the
>> world's industrialized nations. The Associated Press reported April 16
>> that the U.S. gun-death rate was 14.24 per 100,000 people, far higher
>> than the next highest nation, Brazil, which had 12.95 gun deaths per
>> 100,000 people. 

>Usually, these studies are false -- in other words, they cooked the books.
>One noteable study added suicide and homicide via firearms in America,
>then compared them to just plain homicide worldwide.

These figures from the NRA not mine.

>> In 1995 (sorry don't have the figures for 1996 or 1997), there were
>> more the 5000 innocent children killed by guns.
>
>This is off by over an order of magnitude.

Once again these figures come from the NRA not mine.

>> The 2nd Amendment only
>> gives you the right to own and carry guns.  Our forefathers when the
>> wrote this probably was not referring to weapons of mass destruction
>> like AK-47's and other assault rifles, these type weapons were made
>> for only one purpose -- to kill another human being and at last check
>> murder was still illegal in all 50 states and all of the commonwealths
>> like Puerto Rico.
>
>An AK-47 is not a weapon of mass destruction, I hate to tell you, and a)
>an AK-47, just like any other firearm, has on;y one function -- to expell
>projectiles in a consistent manner. Everything else is up to the user, and
>b) self defense is *not* murder. Please try hard to realize that defending
>your life, limb and property from someone intent on taking them is just
>plain the right thing to do.

By your reason, a bay designed to launch rockets carrying nuclear
weapon is nothing more the to expel a projectile in a consistent
manner.   These bays like the AK47, M16, and M1 assault rifles was
designed for one thing mass destruction of humans... they are not
designed for hunting deer or elk.   I saw a deer shot with an AK47
once.. there wasn't much left of the deer that could be salvaged for
food.  NOW TELL ME THAT YOU NEED AN AK47 FOR HUNTING and I call you
liar.

>> > >Weapon ownership is vital to our freedom.
>> > BS... the only thing vital to our freedom is to prevent wackos's like
>> you from obtaining office.
>
>Our forefathers were much smarter than us, as is demonstrated in the 2nd
>and 10th amendments to the US Constitution, showing all future generatiosn
>that the final "check" and "mate" in our governmental system of "checks"
>and "balances" remains with the people.

But with a less violent means called voting.

>> >Aside from the fact that many people stop would-be attackers, theives, rapists,
>> >murderers with their personal weapon,
>> 
>> The statics for this would amaze you... more people get killed with
>> their own weapon then prevent the crime the first place.
>For statitics and studies with much more integrity, you may want to review
>the works of John Lott, as well as those of Gary Kleck -- both of which
>lend incredible credence to the pro-firearms side.

All the stats I have quoted came from the NRA so give me a break..

>
>> Your goal to kill not maintain a balance of power.  GUNS do not do
>> this.  Violence never lead to anything except blood shed.
>
>More matters of mass murder have probably been caused by one side being
>inadequately armed for the occasion. Read up on the Jews in the Warsaw
>ghetto during WWII sometime, and ask if the Holocaust could have happened
>if such resistence was universal.
>
>> >We The People would have no rights without guns to enforce them.
>> 
>> Our rights are due to our system of government not guns.
>
>Our rights are natural rights, through our being sentient and sapient
>beings. The government can try to restrict them, putting itself at risk of
>destruction, or can let things alone. Humanity cannot be contained.
>
>> >  We The People had better fear the government that fears our guns!
>> 
>> Our government doesn't fear guns, the fear wackos like you that walk
>> into the capital building in open fire.  Personally, I think all guns
>> should be registered with a bore test done before sale so that the
>> slug can be traced back to wackos like you that advocates
>> indiscriminately shot at any one.  I am for the 2nd amendment.  Tell
>> me how you would feel about guns if convicted felon Jonny Blow goes to
>> the gun shop purchases a hand gun and precedes to blow your child's
>> head off when you were no where around?  Being a convicted felon,
>> Jonny Blow doesn't have the right to buy a hand gun.
>
>Johny Blow can't do this, now,

Bull shit... gun shows are not regulated anybody can purchase a gun
without any checks.  I know the last gunshow I attend no one even
asked me for ID when I purchased a handgun.

>and Johnny Blow should not have gotten out of jail if he can't be trusted 
>to behave himself.

If Johnny Blow was given a 5 year sentence and he served all of his 5
years there is nothing that any one can do to keep him in prison now
is there?  According the laws of the land he served his debt to
society and has to be returned to society unless you advocating a
change to this policy where everyone that is convicted is thrown in
jail and the key thrown a way which I believe is unconstitutional.