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George Worley wrote:
> 
> In article <35BBC2E9.B5492370@csi.com>
> on Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:59:37 -0400, DPH <rally2xs@csi.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >George Worley wrote:
> >
> >> In article <35B9FC7F.52CA@swbell.net>, tracey12@swbell.net says...
> >>
> >> > Some people will misuse cars, trucks, knives, explosives,
> >> >guns, etc.  But that is the price of freedom. WE have to realize this
> >> >fact. That, in we are to maintain control of our government, we must be
> >> >well armed.
> >>
> >> This is total bull shit.  The threat of armed citizens isn't what
> >> keeps America free.
> >
> >THAT is total bullshit.  The armed citizen IS what keeps America free.
> 
> Do you know how long it would take for the Military to squash a
> citizen uprising?  Not very long.  DO YOU REMEMBER KENT STATE?

Do you remember that the people killed at Kent State were armed only with
flowers?

> 
> >As Chairman Mao said, "Political power comes out of the barrel of a gun."  He was
> >right.
> 
> For his way of government he is correct.  The ideals of this nation
> prevent that.  99.9 percent of the citizens of this great nation feel
> that we have best way of government.

But more and more are becoming disaffected with the way that various
administrations are moving the powers of government.

> >
> >>  It is how many people believe in the ideals of
> >> the US Constitution that is how we maintain control over our
> >> government.
> >
> >Yes it is, but if they still want a Constutional Republic as we know it, and some
> >dictator wannabe wants a dictatorship and has a few generals on his side, he will
> >likely get his way, because the people won't be able to bring any counter force to
> >bear unless they are armed.
> 
> Even with the guns we have now, it is no match against the weapons
> that our military has.

Sure, if they wanna nuke the local populations on home soil.

> >
> >>  It is what the voters say just about every November not
> >> guns.
> 
> >And if they decide to cancel the elections?  What are you going to do about it
> >without the means to resist it (force of arms?)
> 
> Again misguided.  If the elections were called off and uprising begin,
> the ones in control of the military would have the upperhand.

For a time.

> 
> >>  Our government doesn't fear guns... look at Waco... look at the
> >> siege in west Texas and look at Ruby Ridge.
> 
> >Look at the Citizens Militias that have sprung up because of these incidents, and
> >look how the government has taken great pains to not do that again, as evidenced by
> >the "bend over backwards" treatment of the Freemen standoff.
> 
> These illegal militias full of malcontents and criminals where set up
> to destroy our way life not defend it.

No, not initially.

And what of the legal militias? Which is to say, all citizens of the legal
age?

> 
> >>  All examples of our
> >> government not fearing guns.  I admit that our government didn't
> >> handle most of these case properly but never the less the government
> >> didn't fear guns.
> >
> >The government, or more properly those who would illegally expand government
> >authority most certainly do fear and respect our 200 million guns.  They'd be fools
> >not to.
> 
> First off there isn't a civilian militia that strong.

Sure there is. It's just not organized. We'll organize when there's a need.
We're funny that way, us Americans.

>  Our forefathers
> didn't put the Second Amendment in place for purpose of taken arms (in
> that era arms meant muskets)   against our own government.  This is
> treason.  And treason will be dealt with accordingly.

Sorry, but that's _exactly_ why we have the Second Amendment. Note that in the
case of any government sufficiently tyrannical as to warrant an armed uprising
by a majority popular militia (which is to say the general public) is itself
treasonous, and must be put down.

> 
> >Did you notice during Ollie North's testimony during Iran Contra that he related how
> >he was asked to formulate a plan to declare martial law, collect up all the guns,
> >and take over the government?
> 
> Oliver North lived in his on fantasy world.  He would have said
> anything to save his on ass.
> 
> >He said his report stated that it couldn't be done because of the large
> >number of privately owned firearms.
> 
> fantasy.

"We beg to differ".

> 
> >More recently, Bill reportedly asked the Pentagon how he could forceably remove all
> >guns from private ownership.
> 
> More fantasy.

Nope. 

> 
> [Snip]
> 
> >>  Our forefathers when the
> >> wrote this probably was not referring to weapons of mass destruction
> >> like AK-47's and other assault rifles,
> >
> >No, the FF's meant pistols, rifles, cannons, and all the instruments of war.  The
> >idea has been changed somewhat to being construed to mean only weapons that can be
> >carried and fired by one person and which are directed at a specific target.  This
> >would leave out mines and bombs.
> 
> Arms to our forefathers mean muskets and single shot pistols.

Arms to our forefathers meant "in accordance with military standards for the
time." Which was at the time, muskets and pistols. And now it's an M-1 Garand.


> 
> But on the other hand there fools and then there are greater fools
> that become idiots like your sister tracey.
> 
> The government doesn't fear arms, they fear extremist who take the law
> into their own hands.

No, actually they have lots of other fears as well

An informed, politically-active, and armed citizenry is foremost amongst the
fears of the machine behind the popular-front government.
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