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Hi -

McAvoy - Please take note.  I have also posted this in Usenet and on 
the  Boycott Site.  Everyone will be waiting to see how you all 
respond.

I will suggest you forward this to the Lawyers, the CFO and the 
customer service managers and address this in your auction 
meetings adn ToS planning meetings.  

I dare Yahoo! 2 B leaders and call the CFZ Copyright Free Zone!!!!!

So real artists can use your service as at the curent and new ToS WE 
CAN"T!!!!! and you are doing BAD BUSINESS.

True Story...

If you look at my bookmarks in order they say Yahoo! Auctions then
Yahoo! Boycott.

I was just researching Yahoo! Auctions after trying to donate 
something to the Kosovo Auction (that was totally messed up by the 
Brand Manager)- which made me very skeptical of the service to 
start.  It was a major PR op for Yahoo! in thew arts and he blew it. 

The only reason I continued to look at Yahoo! Auctions is because 
Patrick Mc Avoy Auctions Manager tried to fix the problem.  It was 
unsuccessful but he tried and appeard to have an interest in the arts.  
He may have no background in the acutal business of art  or the real 
management of cultural property but at least he tried.  McAvoy's 
trying made me become a little more curisous about Yahoo! Auctions.

I finally had time 2 weeks ago to start looking at auctions and WAS 
seriously considering using your service until, the Boycott.  Now 
even after the changes in ToS, I still Cannot use your service and I 
am making sure the entire highest level of American art knows that 
your ToS is a disservice to the Fine Art World World Wide.

Set up a CFZ ToS for "REal ARtists" as your new and current ToS is 
bad business and undermining and disempowering for real art 
businesses.

Yahoo! Changed the ToS for people who were negotiationg but 
knew nothing about how the arts works as a business.

Unfortunately, the new ToS is not flexible enough for me as a major 
emerging American
Artist and others like me to use.

I cannot become a Yahoo! customer and just before the boycott I was 
considering the use of
Yahoo! Auctions.

I also contacted many people who are on the highest level of 
American Art and discussed
this problem with them. Three of the top galleries in Santa Fe and 
several on Canyon
Road. The American art world is small and as it goes these galleries 
have other offices in
NYC and Texas. As they say sneeze on Canyon Road and the whole 
American Art world
knows.  I also circulated Art Santa Fe last weekend and let those 
galleries and dealer know, we are doing several other art events this 
year and also open studios.  Many of these dealers and national and 
international level and they are shocked at the ignorance of Yahoo! 
in relations to cultural properties.

Due to the successs in my career, many people respect my ideas 
world wide.  This respect comes on many levels and on all levels of 
American Art and especially so since my studio is located in Silicon 
Valley and they know that I am very aware of what is happening 
here.

I am truley saddened that the arts are so far behind in SiliconValley 
and American and
that a greedy American corporation has not bothered to do enough 
business research to
where it could develop more creative business that would benefit the 
entire artworld and
the community in a profitable win win partnership.

The ToS will not work for the entire fine artworld!!!!

It is still a very visionless document.

Stanford did not own the trains when people drove them on the 
tracks!
Free? - Ethics = call it what it is a spade a spade! You want artists to 
give up there work for
your Yahoo! products for free!

PAINS!!Protect Art it's not Shareware!
http://www.rhinode.vcom/M

My advice to the American Art and international art worlds is STAY 
AWAY FROM YAHOO! and any other
internet corporate loosers who have not clue about the arts and who 
are trying to enslave
the cultural property for gain by those who have nothing to do with 
the arts, who do not
support the arts and who never even bothered to research the 
business of art let alone
cultural property.

I am very saddened as a former potential customer of Yahoo! that I 
cannot use the
Auctions because theri new ToS is so disrespectful to the art word 
and the fine artists and
their galleries and dealers.

Yahoo! alt.get.a.clue.com

I am droping off my brick today!!!  I would rather pitch it through 
your windows, but being the kind helaing artist I am I will just give 
you the Boycott Banner - FREE COPYRIGHT - as a reminder that 
Real Artists are out here and you are doing a huges disservice to a 
business that has been econmically racked since the art crash in 1989.

Do you think artists live in Ghettos and work their entire lives to giv 
eit to you all for FRee ?  Your listing service is not free = DO NOT 
CALL IT THAT !!!!!! It costs the artworld deeply and you are all 
m.bar.assing. yourselves greatly in your locak of knowledge.

Having been a Woman of Achievement in SiliconValley - this is the 
top organization for
women in the Silicon Valley for business. We are having a lunch at 
the famous Capital
Club on Wed. of this week! Private invitations only. 

I am saddened to say I will have to update all these powerful women 
reguarding the fact
that Yahoo! even after the ToS was adjusted is stilll something to 
avoid due to their
insensitivity to the AmericanArt world and the Art world beyond.


The lack of research in this department is amazing and a real let 
down to customers.  I was gong to be a Yahoo! Auction customer 
before the boycott and was hoping to be after,  Still after the 
concessions on ToS were made by people who know nothing about 
the real fine artworld I cannot be a Yahoo! customer.

What are you doing for the Arts Yahoo! ?

Let me know as everyone I talked to  so far even after ToS changes is 
NO Way! on Yahoo! still.

Yahoo! you all missed a whole market...eg. American Art Market, 
World Art Market, yes,
the fine artists....the artist who are REAL artists who do not clip and 
paste on some
computer...you ToS totally negates the nature of our businesses and 
you have to revisit
it...the ToS I suggest you do it with the help of CA Law 4 the Arts.

Let us know when you fix it so the American Art world and the 
International Fine
Artworkd can do business with you.

As of now we can't.

More to think about... and to help you understand the art world I am 
sending some thought which you can outline from....

The CA Royalty Act applies the sale of works of fine art that takes
place in the State of
California after Jan. 1, 1977 ro which are sold after that date by the
seller residing in
California or his agent. The right survives 20 years after the death of
the artist. Under the
act, in any initial sale (other than from the artist himself) or resale
(subject to certain
exceptions) of such art during the lifetime o fhte artist, 5 % of the sale
price must be
withheld for the artist. If the artists cannot be locatd, the 5% is
withheld for the California
Arts Council. Failure to withhold exposes the seller to an action for
damages. California
Royalty Act
S 986 Calif Civil Code
This is just an abreviation of the act...
Has Yahoo! provided for this in its contract ?


other ideas


Talking to attornies is one thing especially if they do not specialize in
the arts. The do not
know what we need. Talking to management is another thing...they
DEFINATELY do not
know what we need in art businesses if they did none of this would
have happened. Land
grab...this compares more to the violations of Hitler grabbing the
artists works.

Get some real arts experts in there. I am not impressed by
management or attornies so
far...hope you see my point.

more....

You will just have to pick the ideas that help.

State the primary responsibility you have to the artworld, creative
internet
world, public, customers and priorities of the corporate institution
strategic plan in line
with ethical standards outlined by a leadership group

Hold corporations accountable for their responsibility in ethics,
standards, management
and program assessment outlines in relation to mgmt of cultural
properties

Diversify sources of input for the formation of the BoR

Use media to promote awareness of the commitment to leadership in
relaton to the management of cultural properties

Develop sharing pratnerships with organizatons that are willing to
advance these goals
for the betterment of the planet and creativity on it as a whole

Comit resources to provide leaderhip to implement reccomendations
of the B of R

more...

After scanning some art related mission statements planning
concepts and keeping in mind
that private internet industry has no clue in the
management of culturlal property
as it appears by the rail roading Tos so popular at this moment in
time

You have to consider that the art needs management and there are
already established
avenues for that and basically what is needed is a marriage between
arts and cultural
management, entertainment and private industry. This seems very
possible and viable in
post war economic trends we are seeing today

Your companies are like museums. You have three audiences, artists,
visitors and
customers you have to serve

There is also a huge educational component in there too

It would not hurt you all to become familiar with the way museum
are run because you will
learn about all three audiences by doing so and beable to invent new
cyclic business by
respecting all three groups and not railroading one

You are going to have to be more creative about business

More...

Require your staffs to achieve an understanding of the
characteristics of the audiences you
are underserving and why this is happening

Do your research adn find out why people are not visitng or are not
opting for you ToS

Find out who your special needs audiences are eg. artworld develop
ongoing relationships
with these groups to expand services and make information more
accessible to them

Add new staff with skills and knowledge to handle the mandates
some of these new groups
might make

Initiate scholarly research inconjunction with issues proposed

Invlove various communities oand diverse cultural groups in the
research and
documentaion process relative to theie experiences

Develop collaborative efforts with enhance the ability to manage
arts and creative needs on the internet for individuals, corporations,
orgainzations that fulfills a mission that
protect cultural properties and empowers customers and visitors

Recognize your responsibility in the management of cultural
properties

These are a jumble of ideas.....hope they help raise some
conciousness as it is needed at this time

You are seeing a melding of education internet art museum services
private industry entertainment cousumerism etc


more...

A written collecting cultural property management statement to be
drafted and reviewed at regualr intervals with the basis of
professional recommendations be at the basis for
decisions relating to cultural properties

Negotiations concerning the aquiring of items of cultural properties
needs to be conducted
the scrupulous fairness to sell or buyer or artist

Not one artwork should be valued to the detrement of the owner or
artist, nor should the
objects be taken or retained on with the deliberate intention of
improperly procuring it

Important that all professional responsibility ensures that all items
of cultural property
accepted are fully documented to facilitate provenance,
identification, condition and
treatment all artworks accepted be properly protected

Careful attention shoudl be paid to ensure all protection against
internet theft of items of
art displayed

Members of corporations handliing cultural properties should not
delegate cultural
property management responsibilites to employees who are not
appropriate trained and
fully knowledgable to assist the the care of colletions and cultural
properties

An essential ethical obligation of the management of cultural
properties is required to ensure the
proper care and conservation of existing and newly aquired
collections.

They must also ensure the collectins of cultural properties are cared
for and passed on for future generations in a good and safe a
conditon with reguard to current knowledge and
resources

Documentation of collections is as the proper recording of new and
existing collections should include details of the source of each
image, and the condtions of acceptance of it and
the management of the owners copyrights be kept in a secure
environment with systems providing adequate and easy retrival of
the data by staff, visitors, customers, and artists

Yahoo!  I used to lunch with the H of HP and I can tell you your 
weakly researched service does not desreve to stand in the shadow 
of this valley.

Mattison Fitzgerald
Artist
http://www.rhiondev.com/M