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In <3at4t5$7h5@utdallas.edu> jspence@utdallas.edu writes:

>Ray Ward-telecomrc.com (rayward@metronet.com) wrote:
>> In article <381hah$h5b@news.utdallas.edu>,
>> Mark A Harrison <mharriso@utdallas.edu> wrote:
>> >jspence@utdallas.edu wrote:
>> >: I wish to control hand guns and 
>> >: automatic weapons, not because they kill, but because I see no need for 
>> >: the ordinary citizen to possess them.
>> >
>> >I think this sums up much of the debate.

>> Indeed, it does.  This poster exhibits near total ignorance of history,
>> the foundations of American government, current facts, guns, uses of
>> guns, political philosophy, political realities, and his own arrogance
>> and credulity.
>> (Sigh.)

>> rayward@metronet.com
>You are wrong again Ray. I do know my history and the foundations of 
>American government. I also am aware of many current facts (whatever 
>facts you may speak of). I read much political philosophy and I am aware 
>of political and social realities. As to guns and their uses, I see no 
>use for them at all. None! I cannot comment on my credulity, but as for 
>my arrogance: so be it. Holding and shooting a gun is just like alcohol 
>and drugs, something we could use a lot less of. Too many damn guns. Guns 
>for children, guns to protect the home, guns to kill people. What is a 
>gun for but to kill something. Bullshit on that target stuff, most people 
>shoot at silhouttes of people. White people shoot at Blacks and Hispanics 
>at the target ranges. They are just feeding their addiction of hate.
>John

If you see no use for guns at all, why argue with us small-fry gun
owners?  Go right to the top and tell the military and police that you
see no use for guns.  Convince them to give them up.  Suggest an 
alternative method to guns for them.  Perhaps passive resistance, group
therapy, and encounter groups.  When you get done with them, then come
argue with us.

Most guns serve their purpose admirably without ever firing a shot.
Twice in the last two years, I have interrupted a potential crime
by displaying my revolver.  I have yet to fire a shot with it even
at the range.  That is the experience of most people who have
defended themselves with a weapon.  Criminals are cowards who pick
on the weak.  An armed citizen scares the hell out of them.

White guys like me are not shooting at blacks and hispanics at the
target range.  There are more white crooks out there than colored
ones.  We shoot at silhouettes of attackers.  If you are robbed and
beaten I doubt you would say, "Thank God he was white."

One major difference between alchohol/drugs and guns is that 
alchohol/drugs are absolutely no good for defending yourself and
others from criminals who want to do violence.  Guns are.  The use
of guns helped build this nation and keep it safe.  Drugs don't.

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