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Re: GUN CONTROL

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From: Don Ashe
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:56
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In article <karches-2711942304560001@dal03.onramp.net> Tom Karches,
karches@onramp.net writes:
>I'm not necessaily opposed to CCW; I'm just not convinced that it reduces
>crime. Violent crimes are often irrelevant decisions and I doubt that
most
>criminals consider this fact when they go out to commit a crime, or think
>about it when they decide to commit one at the spur of the moment.
>
No one cares if you think it reduces violent crime. Carrying a gun isn't
about reducing violent crime. Why must you obfuscate this with your
opinions on whether carrying guns reduces crime? It just doesn't matter. 
I don't care if my carrying a gun affects the violent crime rate one
iota. I only care if the violent crime rate affects me. Where are your
precious police officials going to be when someone in your family
coincides with one of those violent criminals? I'll bet they won't be
around. 
The question is simply whether or not we as individuals have a right to
protect ourselves, or if we must be forced to rely on the admittedly
inadequate protection provided by the government. 
The violent crime rate is the reason for an increased need for
individuals to arm themselves.

>I don't want people getting carry permits because they think its cool. It
>needs to be presented as a deadly serious responsibility.
I'm not sure you know how arrogant this sounds. (reads?) At least to me.
Who exactly are you, to be telling me how deadly serious a carry permit
is?  Is that you, daddy? 
I submit that you don't know a whole lot about violent crime, or carry
permits, or the intent of our constitution, with regard to individual
liberty. 
I don't want people voting because they think it's cool. It needs to be
presented as a deadly serious responsibility. 

>Most police officials that I have heard speak on this issue are opposed
to
>CCW. Do you know something they don't?
Most police officials that I have heard speak on this issue have stated
that they cannot possibly  be expected to protect everyone with their
current manpower. 
This is the United States of America. Our constitution was founded around
the principle of individual liberty. The whole point is not to have the
government go around deciding what the people can be trusted to do. Now
you want to decide who can and can't carry a concealed weapon. It's not
up to you to decide. It is up to each individual to decide for
themselves, and to face any consequences. Anything else is tyranny. 

-Don

 "A government big enough to give us everything we want is a
     government big enough to take from us everything we have."
      - Gerald Ford
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From: Don Ashe <don_l_ashe@aud.alcatel.com>
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Subject: Re: GUN CONTROL
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