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In article <D.Nash-1211941238150001@slip-18-14.ots.utexas.edu>, D.Nash@utexas.edu (Donald L. Nash) writes:
>                                                               My basic
> point remains: bikers don't pay as much toward road construction as
> motorists.

	But they also don't use bicycle traffic to justify building or
improving roads.  They only build roads between two places if there is
sufficient car/truck demands to do so, not cyclists.

> We've already got a gasoline tax that does exactly this.  Bikers don't pay
> that either, but I wouldn't expect them to pay that.

	No, but we do pay sales tax on the extra food we consume.

>>Try not driving in the UT area during rush hour.
> 
> My aren't you Mr. Arrogant!  I work for UT; I drive down here because
> that's how I get to work (walking and biking are out of the question
> because I live too far away).  And since my work hours is pretty much the
> same as everyone else's, I hit the rush hours just like everyone else.

	Hypocrite.  Many people cycle in the UT area because they are
students who many not be able to afford to buy a car, and they have to
attend class (i.e. they are the REASON you have a job).  The bike is their
transportation between home and class.

>>Try letting pedestrians and cyclists have the right of way on campus.  
> 
> Peds do have right of way on campus and I don't contest them for it.  I
> used to be a student down there, so I know what it's like.  But as it has
> already been pointed out here, bikers have the same rights as motorists. 
> "The same" does not mean "more".  Bikers don't have any more ROW than
> motorists, even on campus.

	Very true!

>                             If I'm legally entitled to the ROW over a
> biker, I'll take it with no more hesitation than I would have in taking it
> from another motorist.

	And I would fully expect you to do so.  And I prefer that you take
your ROW as well (Some people grant me ROW when they really have it, and
often I would prefer that they take it).

>                         And the biker is obligated by law to yield if I
> have the ROW, just as a motorist is.

	And I am happy to do so.

> But as long as the law says that bikers have the *same* rights as
> motorists, don't preach to me about giving them more than their due.

	I don't think anyone is asking you to.

> Bikers wouldn't be a problem on campus anyway if they'd just obey the
> traffic laws (most of them don't).  The speed limit on campus is 15 mph,
> about bike speed.  
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                    Bikers don't hold up traffic when everyone is required
> to go as slow as they do.

	That can greatly depend on the cyclist and other conditions.

>                      UT doesn't have enough parking space as it is.  Your
> suggestion would eliminate even more of it.

	So you should be ENCOURAGING cyclists!  Bikes take much less parking,
which would increase your ability to find parking.

> And besides, I wasn't talking about driving on the campus itself; I meant
> driving in the public streets surrounding the campus.  There are a lot of
> students who live in the areas immediatelly surrounding campus, and many
> of them bike to class.  Most of the streets around campus are narrow and
> the speed limit is generally 30 - 35, quite a bit faster than a bike. 
> Bikers do hold up traffic on these streets.  I speak from experience, I've
> been caught behind them too many times before.

	You mean the students that you are there for?  Getting on your way?

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