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In article <38mfjo$koi@crchh518.bnr.ca>, tomg@bnr.ca (Tom G) writes:
> 
> In article <38m4vs$pta@crchh572.bnr.ca>, rnichols@bnr.ca (Robin Nichols) writes:
> > 
> > Any body?  Come on, obviously the person making the statement above
> > has.  We all know that if we didn't keep those little suckers in
> > their cases they would be running rampant right now, killing and
> > robbing and all that kind of crap!!  
>  
> > WHAT THE HELL IS MY POINT??!!??  My point is that PEOPLE COMMIT
> > CRIMES, NOT GUNS!!! 
> 
> That is how you look at it.  Fine.  Others see crime in the population
> (especially urban areas) as a fire.  Easy access to guns among the
> population is viewed as feeding the flames of crime.  Throw more gas
> in a fire and it goes up.  Throw more weapons into a population and
> crime goes up.  Just look at how the murder rate among urban children 
> has increased over the last few years as their access to guns has.
> 
> > Do not deprive the rest of us our RIGHT given
> > to us by our FOREFATHERS to own guns, just because there are sick
> > bastards out there that totally abuse them.
> 
> Look at what happens to giant successful companies who refuse to
> change and adapt to a changing market.  They die.
> 
> The same thing happens to countries.  Look at all the empires that
> have come and gone due to their inability to adapt to a changing 
> world.
> 
> Our FOREFATHERS were brilliant men, but I am sure even they would
> admit to not having a crystal ball.
> 
> Once a person, company, country thinks they are at the top and do
> not need to improve, its all down hill from there because the top
> can never really be reached.
> 
> You don't belive change is needed with respect to guns.  Others do.

Okay, I have been listening/reading this **** for several days now...
I own firearms, in fact enough to require one of those stupid arsenal
licenses should it ever be passed.  I am also a certified firearms 
instructor in all disciplines.  I have never in all my reading ever 
found a case where a firearm truely "just went off".  A couple of weeks
ago a kid shot himself in the leg (urban Austin) while cleaning his
firearm, a .357mag.  Question.... Has any of you ever cleaned a gun
effectivly with a round still loaded?  Of course not.  This kid was 
doing something stupid, not cleaning the gun.  He or his parents just
made this story up so as to not "get into trouble".  He was probably 
practicing fast draw shooting or something in the house, or showing off
to his friend....  THIS IS STUPID.... THIS IS A LACK OF EDUCATION....

There has never been a firearms accident, they are all acts of stupidity.
I don't think that there is an honest gun owner alive that would be 
opposed to required education for gun ownership.  The problem is that
honest gun owners are worried that the Sarah Brady's of the world and 
the government would turn this required education into a means for ending
the ownership of firearms.

I think I have firgure out why Hunter Education works here in Texas.  It
is a STATE/GOVERNMENT run program.  It doesn't prohibit the purchase of 
a hunting license if you don't have the certification, although some think
it should.... The hunter education certificate is only a problem if you are
caught hunting without one.  For example, what if we required some sort of
education, sponsored and taught by volunteers (like HE), where the certificates
were issued once in a life time by someone (NRA or the State, whoever).  If
you are caught with a firearm and without the education certificate, you get
a ticket.  If you just don't have it on you, you show up at the judges with
it in your hot little hands and you are cleared.  This has no impact on the
gun store owner, only I would hope that an honest gun dealer would ask about
it.  And if a criminal is found with a firearm, aside from the state and 
federal laws broken, we will probably also be able to lock them up on this
charge.  Again, the only hurdle to be jumped is how to keep government from
turning this into something it is not?

Another hurdle to jump is to get the HCI folks to open their eyes to the
fact that we are not all gun grubbing criminals who want to kill anything
we seek with a firearm in our hands.  The NRA-ILA has tried several times
to get a bill pass in the US Congress and all have been shot down simply
because they are sponsored by the NRA and not HCI.   I wonder if in my life
time these two sides will be able to find a compromise.  One were both sides
win.  There has got to be a win-win situation in here somewhere, and we just
focus our energy on finding it instead of fighting it?

	Jennie Dietrich
	ARC, TPW, NRA, NMLRA, & IBEP certified instructor
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