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In article <380kel$has@zeppelin.convex.com> barnett@convex.com (Paul Barnett) writes:
>In <37vkqg$ejj@news.utdallas.edu> goyal@utdallas.edu (Mohit K Goyal) writes:
>>WRONG!  HCI supports everything *but* a ban on handguns.  They are very
>>clear on this issue.
>
>Perhaps someone would like to supply a quote to the contrary?

Sarah Brady said while she was here in Texas that she didn't want a complete
handgun ban.  This is just so she can get the ban incrementally without
complete objection now.  First it was a 7 day waiting period.  Brady II has
a one gun per month limit.  Brady III is supposed to include extremely
high tax rates, life time ban on gun ownership for any criminal infraction
(including a slew of new gun infractions) and so on.  What should be
completely crystal clear is that HCI is 100% for a complete and total ban
on guns.

>>Yeah, yeah, yeah...statistics *clearly* show that there are more 
>>accidental shootings then self-defense shootings.  More innocent
>>people die from guns than criminals.
>
>Let's see those statistics.  I know that data compiled by the US
>National Center for Health Statistics, the National Safety Council,
>and the US Census Bureau clearly contradict these assertions.

No, he is correct on a technicality -- remember the claim is that more
innocent people are KILLED than criminals.  Since the 2,000,000 or so
crimes prevented by gun owners do not all result in the death of the
criminal, the anti-gunners have made the unwillingness of gun owners
to kill criminals into a liabilty.

>>She simply had enough sense to realize that it wasn't worth the *risk*.
>>People should not be allowed to carry concealed weapons.  It is safer
>>for everyone.  Just finds stats on states which allow this vs. states
>>that don't.
>
>Again, let's see those statistics.  Florida's murder rate has gone
>down while the rate in the US as a whole has increased since their CCW
>law was passed in the late 1980's.

Not only that, but within the 50% of the states with strict carry laws,
fully 80% of all murders occur.  Or put another way, you are 4 times
more likely to be murdered if you live in a state, such as Texas, which
has strict carry laws than if you live in a state without.
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