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goyal@utdallas.edu (Mohit K Goyal) writes:

>: The HCI (Handgun Control Inc... the folks who want to ban ALL guns) and
>
>WRONG!  HCI supports everything *but* a ban on handguns.  They are very
>clear on this issue.

Not true.  I see you, too, have been fooled by their name.


>The only national group which advocates a ban on all handguns is CSGV.
>(Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)

Another incorrect name.  If it was only the gun violence they wanted to
stop, then they would not spend their time trying to do things against
those of us who are NOT violent and have guns.

Self defense is not a form of violence.



>: their loved ones at home.  Liberals do not want people to be able to
>: defend themselves (or even be independent in any way).  This is one
>: reason why they are taking guns away.
>
>Yeah, yeah, yeah...statistics *clearly* show that there are more 
>accidental shootings then self-defense shootings.  More innocent
>people die from guns than criminals.

Cite!  Cite!  Cite!

If these statistics are so clear, show then instead of hiding them.

Of course gun related accidents do happen.  Do YOU know how to handle a gun
safely?  Just because you might not like them does not mean you won't ever
be faced with having to handle a gun.


>: If they wanted to take guns away that were being used in crime they would
>: take away .38 Specials and .25 ACP Ravens.  If they wanted to take guns
>
>The NRA makes it impossible for Congress to take away any but the most
>outrageous guns.  They almost succeeded in blocking the ban on semi-auto's

And so they should.

The .38 Specials are not outrageous nor are semi-autos in general.  Some
guns like the Ravens are just cheap crap.


>: The real problem is that the laws we already have are not being enforced
>: very well.
>
>This is also incorrect.  This is the core argument of almost every conserv.
>when it comes to gun control.  The fact of the matter is that it is
>extremely easy for almost *anyone* to not just legally buy a gun, but
>legally sell them too.

It should be easy, except for criminals (felony convictions on record).

Anyone who has merely bought a gun legally is NOT a criminal.  The instant
they sell the gun to anyone who is a criminal, then they too become a
criminal and the laws are already in place for that.  More laws are not
needed because these "more laws" are not even addressing criminals at all.


>It is also very hard for government to control guns.  The NRA has managed
>to push through legislation in many(most?) states that bars local comm.
>from having stricter gun laws than the state has.

Right.  And so it should be.  Again, these laws are not addressing the
criminals, but rather, they are just trying to take guns away from the
ordinary law abiding citizens and I fully support any effort or tactic
to inhibit any level of government from enacting any such stupid law.
I support laws that really are truly anti-criminal.


>: Think about why Ann Richards didn't even want to let the citizens of Texas
>: make their own decision about allowing permits (it would not have been a
>: free thing) to carry guns.  Does she not trust the people?  Does she not
>: want to let people make their own decisions.
>
>She simply had enough sense to realize that it wasn't worth the *risk*.
>People should not be allowed to carry concealed weapons.  It is safer
>for everyone.  Just finds stats on states which allow this vs. states
>that don't.

She doesn't trust the people to make their own decisions?

She thinks the people will vote in favor of concealed carry?

Doesn't that tell you something?



>Why do you have a problem with the govt. regulating guns, such as they
>regulate most everything else.(toys, cars, etc)

They probably should not regulate things so much.

But guns are especially critical because it is a crucial element in the
top level authority of this nation to have control.  That top level
authority is the people itself.  With an unarmed population we run the
risk of government taking total control and we being unable to do anything
about it.  See Nazi Germany.  But even they were not the first to use gun
control.  I know of gun control as early as the British Colonies in America
when guns confiscations were taking place.


>Why do you have a problem with a national licencing program for guns,
>so that it would be easier to track the history of a gun/

It makes firearms confiscation too easy.  There are people out there in
government now that want to confiscate all guns because they don't realize
that violence is caused by violent attitudes in people (or they are afraid
to take the political heat in saying the truth).


>Do you think minors should be allowed to buy guns?  Do you think it is
>wrong to limit the amount of guns a person buys to say, 1 per month?  Why??

Minors should not be allowed to buy guns.  That is already the case.

One per month is a problem.

First tracking it opens up the licensing and confiscation problem again.

What if you find TWO of the guns you really wanted at a gun show but can
only buy one of them?  I've bought fewer than 1 gun a year myself so far
but I might find 2 I like next month.

That comes to 12 a year and already there are people saying anyone who
even owns 2 guns must be a criminal of some sort.  The next argument will
come to be "Why does anyone need to buy 12 guns a year?".  This is the
famous slippery slope problem.  The bans will come right after we limit
people to 1 gun in a lifetime.


>BTW, when I say "guns" I'm actually referring to handguns, since they are
>the root of the problem.  Not semi-automatics, or shotguns, or the like.

earlier you said...

>The NRA makes it impossible for Congress to take away any but the most
>outrageous guns.  They almost succeeded in blocking the ban on semi-auto's

Then why ban semi-automatics?

Why are handguns the root of the problem?  Show your logic!

Clue: millions of handgun owners are not turned into criminals by handguns.
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