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Eric Woolfson <woolf@unicom.net> writes:

>     Florida passes a concealed weapons law, crimes goes down.
>     Morton Grove bans guns altogther, crime goes down.
>     Texas makes no weapons law changes, crime goes down.
>
>     See a pattern there, do you?  

It would mean that guns are irrelevent.  But then, one fact is wrong.
Crime went up in Morton Grove for 5 years after guns were banned.


>       South Carolina, with CCW has 5.5 gun murders per 100,000
>       North Carolina, without CCW, has 5.3 per 100,000.
>       
>       And Georgia, with CCW, has 6.2, leading them both.
>
>       So just how effective is CCW in lowering the rate of gun
>      murders?
>
>      Not much, apparently............ 

You quote only a single statistic.  Georgia has had CCW for a long time,
so take a look at the CHANGES in crime there compared to other states.

Also when you look... discard statstics from large urban cities (e.g.
Atlanta) where the police constantly harass people who legally carry
firearms to the point that it is rare to find someone doing so there.
Atlanta is effectively without much benefit from any CCW.

Now see what the statistics are like.


>      And explain to us why with all those NRA instructors and all 
>    those guns that Kleck says prevent crime, the US is the world
>    leader in both civilian gun ownership and civilian gun DEATHS. 
>    Where is the "safety" that all these guns are supposed to be 
>    giving us? 

I've noticed that we do not have gun safety courses in public schools.
Are you going to support that?  And, yes, a preliminary course can even
be done without any actual firearms being used.

The cause of the crime is unrelated to existance or lack of guns.  The USA
has such a crime problem for other reasons like massive dependency of so
many people on entitlement programs that don't pay for all their needs
(like drug habits for many), don't give them a way out (to fight for so
few jobs), and give them so much free time to "hang out".
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