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Article #4034Re: 'Vigilante justice' is better than no justice
From: az-willie
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:38
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:38
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Lets Roll wrote: >"Wotan" <wotan@DeathPenguin.com> wrote in message >news:ath1jo$nmp$1@reader1.panix.com... > > >>As part of a Turing test >>phxbrd <phxbrd@earthlink.net> posted: >> >> >> >>>"Wotan" <wotan@DeathPenguin.com> wrote in message >>>news:ate973$pe7$5@reader1.panix.com... >>> >>> >>>>As part of a Turing test >>>>Bill <libertas@bellsouth.net> posted: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:11:46 -0000, "Nick" >>>>><allstarmercedesparts@jenin.ps> favored us with: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>In response, Simcox said he was forming a citizen's militia to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>patrol >>> >>> >>>>>>>>vast expanses of Arizona's border with Mexico, in an effort to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >stem > > >>>>>>>>the flow of illegal immigrants, drugs and potential terrorists - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>all >>> >>> >>>>>>>>of which are doing damage to Arizona specifically and the nation >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >in > > >>>>>>>>general. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>Why do you people moan about the Mexicans? They prop up your wobbly >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>economy, >>> >>> >>>>>>who else do you think will work in the meatpacking industry or pick >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>fruit >>> >>> >>>>>>and veg? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Not only that, but who will smuggle in the drugs? Who will see to it >>>>>that the hospitals near the border are more-than-fully utilized at >>>>>taxpayer expense? Who will . . . never mind. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Who will destroy millions of dollars of private property every year? >>>> >>>> >>>Yeah, those damned impoverished workers and their 400 hp hi-riders >>> >>> >tearing > > >>>down mile after mile of bob war fince jes gotta be stopped.... >>> >>> >>Well, they might not be on hi-riders; but the crossers do tear down >>fences, destroy property, STEAL from land owners (yes, including water), >>and make people feel unsecure in their own homes. >> >>BTW, you are aware that the desert is a fraile environment, and have a few >>million people walk through the same spot isn't good for it, right? >> >> >> >>>One broke a lock on a water faucet last year, too.... >>> >>> >>In one case, the rancher said the broken valve probably cost him about $5k >>in lost water, damage to the tank, and repairs to the tank supports that >>were washed out. >> >> >>-- >>Famous last words: >> >> > >http://www.desertinvasion.us/reports/reports.html > >The Immigration and Naturalization Service through the U.S. Border Patrol, >the U.S. Department of the Interior, the U.S. Forest Service and the U.S. >Environmental Protection Agency have prepared this report in response to >requests by the House Committee on Appropriations to develop a coordinated >plan to mitigate the environmental damage caused by illegal immigrant >crossings through Federal lands in southeast Arizona and to report back to >the Committee by October 1, 2001. This report is being submitted late due to >the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 and the resulting need to review >border issues with respect to homeland security. The coordinated plan for >southeast Arizona is incorporated in this report as Appendix B. > >The purpose of this report is to identify resources and actions necessary to >mitigate and prevent environmental damage caused by illegal immigration >through Federal lands in southeast Arizona and to restore safe public use >and management of these lands through a multi-agency, coordinated effort. >The detailed goals, objectives, and actions are stated in Appendix B. It >does not address the social, economic or political factors that may be >causing illegal immigration, the impacts on non-Federal jurisdictions >(although most impacts are similar); and many other issues related to >illegal immigration. > >Southeast Arizona, as described in this report, has a total area of >approximately 14,000 square miles (9 million acres). Approximately 37% of >this area is administered by the Federal government and is the subject of >this report. Southeast Arizona has 156 miles of border common with Mexico. >This represents only 8% of the entire 1,952 miles of international border >between the United States and Mexico. However, the environmental and other >impacts caused by undocumented aliens crossing Federal lands in southeast >Arizona are much greater than this small percentage indicates. > >Certain Federal lands in southeast Arizona can no longer be used safely by >the >public or Federal employees due to the significance of smuggling >undocumented aliens and controlled substances into the United States. The >mere number of undocumented aliens traveling in the border area intimidates >legitimate visitors and creates a reluctancy by some of the public to use >public lands. The volume of undocumented aliens also impacts Federal and >other government employees' ability to feel safe while doing their job in >the field. Staff exposure while conducting resource management activities in >certain areas along the border is a serious safety concern. Ranchers, >farmers, miners and other legitimate users of Federal lands are heavily >impacted financially by smuggling operations that cut fences, breakdown or >leave gates open, damage water supplies, steal or damage equipment, and >disrupt grazing and irrigation schedules. > >Breaking and entering and burglaries along the border are common and include >historic and government structures, employee and private residences, and >businesses. > >Literally hundreds, if not thousands of new trails and roads have been >created on Federal lands in southeastern Arizona by undocumented alien >crossings. This proliferation of trails and roads damages and destroys >cactus and other sensitive vegetation, disrupts or prohibits revegetation, >disturbs wildlife and their cover and travel routes, causes soil compaction >and erosion, impacts stream bank stability, and often times confuses >legitimate users of trails and roads on Federal lands. > >Large numbers of vehicles are abandoned by smugglers and undocumented >aliens. Such vehicles are difficult and costly for agencies to remove. > >The character of Congressionally designated wilderness areas has been >reduced by the creation of unwanted trails and roads, damage to existing >trails, and large amounts of trash. Encounters with large groups of >undocumented aliens reduces the quality of the wilderness experience for >many visitors. Law enforcement operations and enforcement related aircraft >flights in wilderness areas reduce the quality of the wilderness experience. > >The international border fence is repeatedly cut or torn down in many >locations forcing Federal agency staff and grazing permitees to constantly >make repairs. Horses and cows from Mexico trespassing on Federal lands in >the United States are a significant and reoccurring problem. Gates are >rammed, security locks are cut, signs are driven over and heavy damage or >destruction of water developments and other improvements by undocumented >aliens traveling through Federal lands and seeking drinking water in remote >locations occur regularly. Recreational, cultural and administrative sites >are repeatedly vandalized and damaged. All of this adds significantly to the >cost of maintaining Federal improvements. > >Tons of trash and high concentrations of human waste are left behind by >undocumented aliens. This impacts wildlife, vegetation and water quality in >the uplands, in washes and along rivers and streams. This also detracts from >scenic qualities and can effect human and animal health from spread of >bacteria and disease. > >Warming and cooking fires built and abandoned by undocumented aliens have >caused wildfires that have destroyed valuable natural and cultural >resources. The fires pose a threat to visitors, residents and Federal and >local firefighters as well as to the undocumented aliens camping in or >migrating through the area. > > >-- >Hanged in effigy at Brazoria for wanting peace with Mexico, these "tories" >were: Ira Lewis (1800-1867), Thomas Jefferson Chambers (1802-1865) and >Samuel May Williams (1795-1858). > > > > ========= Outgoing Governor Hull of Arizona wants to run a bus service to bring the illegals from the border to Phoenix so they don't damage property and risk their lives. They arrive in better shape and ready to go to work immediately. More live illegals will help to push wages down and raise profits.
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