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In article <atidnf$148bbg$1@ID-149074.news.dfncis.de>,
 "phxbrd" <phxbrd@earthlink.net> wrote:

> > Tax dollars from illegals ?  Sales taxes are the only taxes they pay.
> 
> A lie.  They pay every tax we all do.

?? You can't seriously believe this. There's no way an illegal 
construction worker is going to get out of EIC status, even if he did 
file a return.

I've got news for you - some people get paid in cash. That casrh buys 
food, for the most part untaxed. Clothing and taxable goods? Dive around 
Dallas on yard sale days, and you'll see who the largest bloc of 
shoppers are - not a lot of taxes being generated there.

What's left of this so-far untaxed money is sent by the billion to 
Mexico.

Conversely, a tremendous amount of tax dollars go to support and 
services offered gratis by the state. Medical, charitable, food 
programs, etc. None of them discriminate against illegals. There is a 
tremendous support system in place. Guess who pays the tab?

If you are unaware of the burdens placed on states by illegal 
immigration, you just haven't been paying attention.

> 
> >
> > Illegals don't pay income tax or Social Security.
> 
> Another lie.  They can't be hired without SS cards.  Es la ley.
> They pay into both funds, but seldom receive refunds for overpayment or
> retirement benefits, either one.

I hired Illegals for years in California, speak half-decent Spanish, and 
converse with illegals semi-frequently here over beers:

Firstly, most SS cards are obviously fake and as obtainable as a good 
burp. Most are fakes.

Secondly, if you feel that they are somehow being made to pay too high a 
price by being denied retirement benefits, you are forgetting that they 
are illegal. As such, you are expressing concern over the welfare of 
citizens of another country over your countrymen and all those that 
follow legal procedures and meet the requirements to become US citizens.

Many of the illegals here I have talked to have no intention of becoming 
citizens should amnesty be offered.. Why?

One - they know they would not meet the requirements.

Two - why should they? Being illegal here now is a piece of cake, it's a 
free ride, why jump off the boat? To become legal is to invite scrutiny, 
taxation, and civil responsibilities. It's much more advantageous to 
remain under the radar in today's lax climate.

Three - They do not like America, they have no desire to become 
American. They are here for one thing - money. They have no desire to 
"assimilate", and they have no need to even learn the language. The 
community is essentially a colonization, and they have little need to 
interact outside that community.


> 
> > They don't have
> > driver's licenses so they don't buy car insurance.
> 
> Another lie.  Citizenship isn't required for either.  Being stopped means
> trouble if you lack either.

You might be surprised to know what the percentage of Hispanics with 
legitimate auto insurance is in the San Fernando Valley alone.

It hovers around 20-25%.

Again, who picks up the tab? You do, with higher insurance rates that 
reflect the high number of uninsured drivers.

These people cost you money, Day in, day out. Dallas cops will not 
arrest any driver who is an illegal alien with no insurance or license, 
they issue a citation. They are instructed to make no arrests.

They are now even accepting Mexican ID cards. They have decide to 
operate on an open-border policy, and no-one need fear being arrested 
for these illegalities.

Well at least they provide a benefit, in that they do low-end manual 
labor, that "no-one else" wants to do. One of the reasons no-one wants 
these jobs, is because they pay way too low. Why is that?

Oddly, the people most victimized by Illegal aliens are legal 
immigrants. They play by the rules - yet, the line-jumpers, who couldn't 
be bothered with traditional, legal avenues to citizenship, keep the 
wage level artificially low in these traditional entry-level jobs.

Let's take it a step further - an I'll offer a personal anecdote for 
illustration:

A man runs a successful housepainting business, employing exclusively 
legal immigrants from mexico, up to 20 at a time. He pays them well, and 
his prices reflect the costs of doing business in a legal manner, and 
all the overheads of operating and living decently in America.

Then, his business begins to drop off. Why? It seems that there are 
numerous people who are willing to paint the house for less than half of 
his bid. He gets undercut ferosciously.

The competing businesses are able to offer their services cheaply 
because they have none of the overhead he does, bacuse they operate 
outside the system.

So, he leaves LA - he can no longer compete, unless he chooses to mimick 
all the competitor's practices, which would include the taking on of 
numerous roomates to reduce his rent, cancellation of all insurance and 
other overhead, and the hiring only of cash-paid illegal day labor.

The 15-20 legal immigrants that used to work for him? Who knows. They 
just got screwed too.

So, this guy takes his business to the West coast of florida, to 
capitalize on the building spike there. He does well for a couple of 
years, but then it starts all over again. The illegal Mexicans move in, 
crime goes up, paint bids go down, and the cycle repeats itself in a new 
locale..

That man, my brother, now works as a condo painter. He can no longer 
afford to compete with such an uneven playing field. He no longer hires 
taxpayers, he generates a fraction of the taxes he used to as a 2-time 
business owner.

Essentially, rather than the traditional route, in which immigrants 
start at entry level and work their way up to the "Amwrican dream", the 
breakdown in the system creates the trickle-up reality, in that others 
must now lower their lifestyles to match the immigrants.

This is because of illegal immigration. Pure and simple. Illegal 
Immigration makes a giant sucking sound, you just may not be willing to 
acknowledge what you hear.

NO amnesty. NO Free Ride. Round them up, send them back. If they want to 
become citizens, let them get in line like everyone else.