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Lady Liberty wrote:
> "Kingfish." <spam_trap_void@yahoo.com>  said, and I quote:
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>>"Lady Liberty" <LadyLiberty@UPAlliance.orgXX> wrote in message
>>news:3df6935a_4@omega.dimensional.com...
>>: "Kingfish." <spam_trap_void@yahoo.com>  said, and I quote:
>>: ...
>>: >: > I don't think someone has to be a bigot to not want unlimited
>>: >: > numbers of people illegally coming into this country.
>>: >:
>>: >: Why is that?  Do you think we've abused so many nationalities that
>>: >: we're likely to be punished by anyone not American?  There was a
>>: >: time when all looked up to us.
>>: >:
>>: >: Every single 9-11 attacker came here legally.  Our attacking workers
>>: > coming
>>: >: in peace smacks of the mentality of grabbing guns from all when a
>>: >: few misbehave.  We can't find terrorist leaders, so let's beat up
>>: >: some 
>>: > innocent
>>: >: but ambitious Mexicans, huh?
>>: >:
>>: >
>>: > and onto some Libertarian ideals... like freedom of movement - is
>>: > that for us and not for "them?"  This sounds more like the John Birch
>>: > Society than even small "L" libertarianism.
>>:
>>: No one said all libertarians have to think exactly the same, and I
>>: think some libs are wrong in thinking we should just open our borders
>>: to the whole world. It doesn't work the way they claim it would.
>>
>>So we should be able to drive any speed we want,
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> 
> As long as you're responsible and don't harm anyone. Just like with free 
> speech, eh?
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>>come and go across our
>>boarders as we please, but lock out certain undesireables?
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> 
> Are we allowed to go work in any country we want at any time? How many 
> countries allow us to just go work there without permission and have 
> unlimited open immigration?
> 
> 
>>: > Why aren't the militias lining up at the Canadian boarder?
>>:
>>: Why isn't our own government defending the borders of this country?
>>: Isn't that its job? We have a Coast Guard to supposedly defend our
>>: water borders, why isn't the government defending ALL our borders?
>>
>>economics.
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> 
> Nope, try again. They're spending $200-400 BILLION JUST to get Saddam, BTW. 
> 
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>>: > There are
>>: > tons of illegal Canadians here in the US, but they are white enough
>>: > for us.  Why don't we close the Mexican boarder in a real way? 
>>: > Simple: we need the slave labor.
>>:
>>: No one is slave labor if there's mutual consent, get off it.
>>
>>when the choices - because of your heratige - are zero or one dollars an
>>hour there is slavery.
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> 
> Simply not true. You're making your own new definition, like when 
> socialists claim that someone is a slave because they need to work for 
> minimum wage. It trivializes the definition.
> 
> Oh, I'm just a slave over that hot stove. Darn.
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>>When you have to choose loss of liberty to feed
>>your kids, there is slave labor.
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> 
> What loss of liberty? 
> 
> When I have to work for less than $100 an hour, I feel like slave labor 
> too, but come on, that trivializes the word.
> 
> Lots of people in this world, probably MOST, are doing things they'd rather 
> not have to do, to survive. That doesn't equal slavery. It's a hyperbolic 
> collectivist terminology for exactly that, when someone does something 
> they'd rather not do, because they need to survive. 
> 
> 
>>When your homeland is not in charge of
>>it's own destiny because of the social and economic engineering of the
>>World Bank and the IMF, there is slave labor.
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> 
> Hogwash, Mexico is not in charge because of absolutely rampant corruption, 
> socialist value systems and little value for literacy. 
>  
> 
>>: > Does it worry any of you that so much of our IT work (including
>>: > hi-tec, cryptography, satellite imaging, etc.) is being outsourced to
>>: > places like India?  Most aren't, but that's because we don't have to
>>: > see their dark faces, IMO.  There is a much greater security threat
>>: > there than anyone that is coming over from Mexico with the desire for
>>: > a better life.
>>:
>>: You want to shut down the internet?
>>
>>no, not at all.  I do think that the US should protect it's people by
>>way of some common sense and we need to realize that the stakes here are
>>much bigger and the problem much more complex than some Mexicans jumping
>>the boarder so they can work.
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> 
> Jumping the boarder? In the boarding house? :)
> 
> 
>> There are some good solid reasons why
>>they are heading North and we are not innocent bystanders - the problem
>>is not solved at the boarder but rather at those underlying problems
>>that cause them to want to move here in droves. 
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> 
> On that, I agree with you.
> 
They want to move here because there are many fools in the US that want 
to champion the destruction of their own sovereignty and well being for 
the Mexicans. Aamerican people who don't no shit about the border, 
Mexico,or the laws of their own country. They are willing to sacrifice 
their future medical and social security benefits because Phil Donahue 
or Oprah make them feel warm and fuzzy when they discuss the poor 
illegals. The same people who don't give a damn about WWII vets losing 
VA benefits, or Viet Nam vets not receiving disability, or current vets 
not receiving enough money to live on, want to give these benefits to 
illegal aliens. That is just plain stupidity.