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Article #4184Re: CIA can now kill Americans!
From: JerryMouse
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:13
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:13
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"Monte" <GeeDubya@aol.com> > >> > > >> > The CIA has been given the power to target for killing > >> > Americans. This is a corrupt, mostly inept bunch of > >> > bunglers who are now empowered to kill you. > > > > > [...] > > > > The US government will only kill those who need killing. > > > > You can relax. > > > > Or maybe not. > > > > Not amazing, but ASTOUNDING! How in the hell can your type > defend a situation whereby another citizen can be declared an > enemy by someone like Karl Rove? or Dick Cheney or Dubya? > Would you also support Bill Clintons' being allowed to decide? > Or Henry 'Dr. Strangelove' Kissinger? How about the likes of > say G. Gordon Liddy? Or that wonderfully stable J. Edgar > Hoover? Or Lyndon B. Johson? Calm down. The provision to designate someone an 'unlawful enemy combatant' is the sole purview of the president. This is in keeping with the Constitution (ruled on many times, three rulings alone in the last couple of months), several Geneva Conventions, and common practice since time immemorial. Once so designated, under international rules for more than a century, the designee can be stood up against the wall and shot. Remember, an 'enemy combatant' is not a violator of US criminal law. As such, he is not entitled to the normal protections of the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments: He doesn't get a trial, a lawyer, an indictment, nor can he refuse to provide information about his crimes. He may be held until the cessation of hostilities. The latest court ruling, in the case of Padilla, made mention of the possibility of abuse but provided the remedy: the president can be defeated at the next election. > > Tell all the rest of us how and why you support the > dissolution of the United States! For that is what you are > supporting, the final destruction of the Constitution. You > are giving the determination of an American citizens rights to > an individual who by fiat and whim may declare you an > annoyance and have you voided. No, this is not the dissolution of the US. This IS what the constitution says, this is what the framers intended, this is what the courts have unanimously held for over 200 years. I realize this comes as a shock to you, but that's how things work. If you don't like it, get the Congress to amend the Consititution and abrogate a score of treaties. > > C'mon Jerry explain if you can. And for christs sake don't > insult us with 'I trust George W. Bush to do right.' Even if > the lame bastard did make correct choices, what would your > response then be to President Hillary Clintons determining you > to be a threat to this country? I guess I wouldn't like it very much. On the other hand, if she nominated you....
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