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Save your breath, Sandar. The American fanatics cannot engage in
reasonable debate at this time. 

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On 21 Sep 2001 22:17:06 -0700, mip777@yahoo.com (Sandar) wrote:

>Read this 
>
>EXPERST SAYS that Islam prohibits violence against innocents
>http://www0.mercurycenter.com/premium/nation/docs/2islam16.htm
>
>Tolerance in Islam: http://users.erols.com/zenithco/toleran1.html by
>Pickthall (An Englishman)
>
>Quotations on Islamic Civilizations by westerners: 
>http://users.erols.com/zenithco/quote2.html
>
>What non-Muslims says about Prophet Mohammad:
>http://users.erols.com/zenithco/quote1.html
>
>Translator of Scientific knowledge in Middle Ages:
>http://users.erols.com/zenithco/Introl3.html
>
>Morality in Wars: http://users.erols.com/gmqm/sibai6.html
>
>Who were the scientists before Renaissance? - 
>http://users.erols.com/zenithco/index.html
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>
>for "WHAT non-muslims says about Prophet Mohaammed" got to:
>http://users.erols.com/zenithco/quote1.html
>
>
>Thomas Carlyle in 'Heroes and Hero Worship and the Heroic in History,'
>1840
>
>"The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round
>this man (Muhammad) are disgraceful to ourselves only."
>"A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to
>kindle the world, the world’s Maker had ordered so."
>
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>De Lacy O'Leary in 'Islam at the Crossroads,' London, 1923.
>
>History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims
>sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of sword
>upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths
>that historians have ever repeated.
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>
>A. S. Tritton in 'Islam,' 1951 
>
>The picture of the Muslim soldier advancing with a sword in one hand
>and the Qur'an in the other is quite false.
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>
>Jules Masserman in 'Who Were Histories Great Leaders?' in TIME
>Magazine, July 15, 1974
>
>Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Mohammad, who combined
>all the three functions. To a lesser degree Moses did the same.
>
>
>
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>James Michener in ‘Islam: The Misunderstood Religion,’
>Reader’s Digest, May 1955, pp. 68-70.
>
>"No other religion in history spread so rapidly as Islam. The West has
>widely believed that this surge of religion was made possible by the
>sword. But no modern scholar accepts this idea, and the Qur’an
>is explicit in the support of the freedom of conscience."
>"Muhammad, the inspired man who founded Islam, was born about A.D. 570
>into an Arabian tribe that worshiped idols. Orphaned at birth, he was
>always particularly solicitous of the poor and needy, the widow and
>the orphan, the slave and the downtrodden. At twenty he was already a
>successful businessman, and soon became director of camel caravans for
>a wealthy widow. When he reached twenty-five his employer recognizing
>his merit, proposed marriage. Even though she was fifteen years older,
>he married her and as long as she lived remained a devoted husband."
>
>“Like almost every major prophet before him, Muhammad fought shy
>of serving as the transmitter of God’s word sensing his own
>inadequacy. But the Angel commanded ‘Read’. So far as we
>know, Muhammad was unable to read or write, but he began to dictate
>those inspired words which would soon revolutionize a large segment of
>the earth: "There is one God"."
>
>“In all things Muhammad was profoundly practical. When his
>beloved son Ibrahim died, an eclipse occurred and rumors of God 's
>personal condolence quickly arose. Whereupon Muhammad is said to have
>announced, ‘An eclipse is a phenomenon of nature. It is foolish
>to attribute such things to the death or birth of a human being'."
>
>“At Muhammad's own death an attempt was made to deify him, but
>the man who was to become his administrative successor killed the
>hysteria with one of the noblest speeches in religious history:
>‘If there are any among you who worshiped Muhammad, he is dead.
>But if it is God you Worshiped, He lives for ever'.”
>
>
>Dr. William Draper in 'History of Intellectual Development of Europe'
>
>Four years after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born in Mecca,
>in Arabia, the man who, of all men, has exercised the greatest
>influence upon the human race... To be the religious head of many
>empires, to guide the daily life of one-third of the human race, may
>perhaps justify the title of a Messenger of God.
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>
>W. Montgomery Watt in 'Muhammad at Mecca,' Oxford, 1953.
>
>His readiness to undergo persecution for his beliefs, the high moral
>character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as a
>leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement - all argue his
>fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more
>problems that it solves. Moreover, none of the great figures of
>history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad.... Thus, not
>merely must we credit Muhammad with essential honesty and integrity of
>purpose, if we are to understand him at all; if we are to correct the
>errors we have inherited from the past, we must not forget the
>conclusive proof is a much stricter requirement than a show of
>plausibility, and in a matter such as this only to be attained with
>difficulty.
>
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>
>Michael Hart in 'The 100, A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons In
>History,' New York, 1978.
>
>My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world’s most
>influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by
>others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely
>successful on both the secular and religious level. ...It is probable
>that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than
>the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity.
>...It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious
>influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most
>influential single figure in human history.
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>
>Dr. William Draper in 'History of Intellectual Development of Europe'
>
>Four years after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born in Mecca,
>in Arabia, the man who, of all men, has exercised the greatest
>influence upon the human race... To be the religious head of many
>empires, to guide the daily life of one-third of the human race, may
>perhaps justify the title of a Messenger of God.
>
>
>Pickthall in his 1927 Lecture on 'Tolerance in Islam,' Madras, India. 
>"In the eyes of history, religious toleration is the highest evidence
>of culture in a people....It was not until the Western nations broke
>away from their religious law that they became more tolerant, and it
>was only when the Muslims fell away from their religious law that they
>declined in tolerance and other evidences of the highest culture.
>Before the coming of Islam it (tolerance) had never been preached as
>an essential part of religion...
>"If Europe had known as much of Islam, as Muslims knew of Christendom,
>in those days, those mad, adventurous, occasionally chivalrous and
>heroic, but utterly fanatical outbreak known as the Crusades could not
>have taken place, for they were based on a complete misapprehension...
>"Innumerable monasteries, with a wealth of treasure of which the worth
>has been calculated at not less than a hundred millions sterling,
>enjoyed the benefit of the Holy Prophet's (Muhammad’s) Charter
>to the monks of Sinai and were religiously respected by the Muslims.
>The various sects of Christians were represented in the Council of the
>Empire by their patriarchs, on the provincial and district council by
>their bishops, in the village council by their priests, whose word was
>always taken without question on things which were the sole concern of
>their community...
>"The tolerance within the body of Islam was, and is, something without
>parallel in history; class and race and color ceasing altogether to be
>barriers."
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>
>mip777@yahoo.com (Sandar) wrote in message news:<5dc0f156.0109192119.27f216cc@posting.google.com>...
>> I just happened to see a program on Discovery channel where an
>> American who spent 12 years in middle east for the peace process was
>> saying about the rules Mohammed had set in a situation of war: no
>> killing of children, women, old people, soldiers who doesn't have a
>> sword (a weapon) + no destrying of buildings; no destruction of a tree
>> that has a green leave on it, etc.
>> 
>>  I know some people would reply with sarcarsim saying "Oh .. he
>> believed in war"; unless you understand the situation in pre-Isalmic
>> Arabian peninsula, most likely you would not understand what he had to
>> do to unite his people. I am not implying that he did not truly
>> believe he was  chosen for the revelation he passed on.
>>  
>>  To those who would respond saying "oh .. those barbarians in
>> pre-Isalmic Arabia .. blah..blah..blah", ONLY if you understand the
>> terrain (geography, weather, etc.) they lived on requiring to be on the
>> move constantly ...(I don't have that book "Biography of Prophet
>> Mohammed" by Karen Armstrong anymore; gave it to my brother), most
>> likely YOU WOULD NOT UNDERTSAND WHAT GOOD ISLAM HAD DONE FOR THOSE  PEOPLE.
>> 
>> I MA NOT CONDONING ANY ATROCITIES DURING CRUSADES OR OTHER > > WARS, but to blame on Mohammed for the failings of some Muslims (like Osama Bin
>> Laden) is truly ignorant, in my opinion.
>> 
>> Sandar