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"Monte" <montep@email.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 06 Jul 2002 03:36:52 GMT, "Larry G" <gilstrap@texas.net>
> wrote:
> >"Monte" <montep@email.com> wrote in message
> >news:3d263df4.2351641@news.ev1.net...
> >> After reading the following Associated Press story I would like anyone
> >> to please explain to me, because I cannot fathom the explanation
> >> myself, the following things?

<snip>

> >> 2. Where is the compassion, the all encompassing(both sexes) love and
> >> respect that we are told is inherent and explicit in the Islamic
> >> faith?
> >
> >Apparently, not in the village mentioned.
> >
> Nor apparently in other Muslim enclaves that cut of body limbs, stone
> to death people, force husbands to beat senseless their wives,
> sexually mutilate their female children and on and on.  No, you cannot
> hide in the apologists fantasy world of logic and claim singularity of
> the event.  The events are on going and widespread.

Indeed, the local customs of many Muslims communities do
seem to be barbaric, and are by no means isolated.  I disavow
any support for their "freedom" to practice cruelty in the
name of any religion.


> >Question:  If a Catholic Priest rapes a young boy,
> >telling the victim that he (the priest) is doing something
> >good and holy for the boy, does that mean that
> >the entire Catholic religion is bogus and without
> >merit?
> >
> If one priest does it or even several in isolation and secrecy then
> no, there is no blame to be laid upon the general populace of
> Catholics.  However if the acts become known and the leadership covers
> up, ignores, or in any other manner aids in the acts reocurring, then
> the leadership is guilty.  If it then becomes public knowledge, the
> acts and cover-ups and the general membership does not see to the
> punishment of both the abusers and their protectors, then all
> catholics share the blame.  See?  When you use reason to look at a
> problem you find the truth or at least you get a glimpse through the
> fog, but simply apologising and making absurd explanations bsaed on
> your mostly made-up perceptions of a group or culture does not float
> well.

OK.  At least you are thinking through the problem
to be able to identify the source of the problem.



> >> 3. Why should anyone believe anything a muslim says about their
> >> religion when acts of barbarism equal to anything done a thousand
> >> years ago continue to occur seemingly daily in muslim countries?
> >
> >The U.S. and the U.N. both recognize the freedom
> >to practice a religion of choice as a basic human
> >right.  That right, however, does not extent to cover
> >forcible rape, murder, mutilation or other barbarisms.


> I am at a total loss to see what the fuck the U.N. has to do with the
> practices of the muslim religion??????

Because we do not live, and cannot act in isolation.
As long as other countries believe that Muslims should
have a choice in their conduct, we will meet with opposition,
any attempt to redress these wrongs.


> >> 4. Why should not any or all muslims be held accountable until such
> >> acts of atrocity cease?
> >
> >Should we hold the Pope responsible for his priest raping
> >children?  Put him in jail for a crime he didn't commit,
> >and did not advocate?  Where is the justice you desire?
> >
>
> See my above response.  The leaders are guilty if they are aware and
> take no action or negative action.

Again, we need to go after the actual wrong-doers, and not just
victimize innocents of a particular faith.


> >> By all means verify the authenticity of the story and then spread it
> >> far and wide.  It is time to call the muslim apologists to task and
> >> demand that their actions match their rhetoric.
> >
> >Well, they do, in an odd sort of way.  Most of the
> >attack on 9/11 was in New York City, which was
> >responsible for the sexual assault, in a police station,
> >with a toilet plunger handle; and in another case
> >an unarmed black man was shot to death by some
> >trigger happy rookie cops.  Yeah, two jets into the
> > WTC, that'll show those suspect raping, civilian
> >murdering New Yorker infidels!  Do you think they
> >learned anything?
> >
>
> Ah yes,  how truly sad.  You occasionally show signs of sentience and
> then you turn around and say something completely and totally absurd.
> Following your absurd reasoning then, it is only logical and right
> that we free all murderers and rapists and litterers because it is
> being done in other parts of the country and world.  Jesus H. Christ
> Larry!  Are you purposely appearing to be dense, or do you take me and
> other readers too be so stupid that we can now commit murder and plead
> retardation?  What in hell has an incident of police brutality got to
> do with the WTC attack?  Take your pathetic red herrings and go pedal
> them elswhere.

Please forgive my attempts at facetious satire of your
own misguided logic.  I had hoped that in seeing the
folly I put forward, you might be able to recognize
your own.  The two are entirely analogous.


>
> Monte

Cheers,
Larry G.