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Jim Holland <pghpcc@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<3DCAE274.AFFE1DE6@pacbell.net>...
> > Paul Dorn wrote:
> > The attitudes expressed in petitions like this one are precisely why
> > events such as Critical Mass, Reclaim the Streets, and other actions
> > have become necessary. Streets belong to everyone--kids playing ball,
> > protesters, parades, festivals, fairs, pedestrians, bicyclists,
> > etc.--and not simply drivers.
> 
> 	What you say is true   ---   to a point.    Anything public
> belongs to everyone   ---   playgrounds included   ---   so using
> your reasoning it is perfectly logical and reasonable for autos
> to use playgrounds.

Are playgrounds the only means of public travel? Public roads ARE the
only means of getting from one point on the ground to another and
every country has laws allowing travel on such public roads.

By your logic Dorn was sugesting that children should have the run of
the Governor's office as well. Try to stay on the subject.

> 	While anything public belongs to everyone, everything public
> also has designated usage   ---   for safety, mobility, etc.
> 
> 	Sidewalks for people   ---   streets for  *Vehicles*  which
> includes autos   ---   playgrounds for children and people.

Sidewalks are not universal and pedestrians have right-of-way on the
road in the absence of sidewalks. Autos may not pass any other vehicle
when it is not safe to do so and other vehicles (including bicycles)
are not responsible to pull over just because you appear in your
Cadillac. You really should study these matters by reading the vehicle
code.

> > Since the dawn of civilization, streets
> > have been the principal public space of any community. Arriving just
> > over 100 years ago, automobiles are a recent intruder onto our roads
> > and streets. And it's clear that their unfettered presence degrades
> > the urban environment significantly. Streets are *public* space, and
> > not simply utilitarian corridors for auto traffic. There are lots of
> > things more important than driver convenience, such as clean air and
> > water, preservation of open space, neighborhood quality of life,
> > livable communities, safety for seniors and children, etc. If you
> > don't like getting stuck in traffic, the solution is simple: Don't
> > Drive!
> 
> 	This is a side-issue and off-topic to the expressed point  
> ---   streets are for mobility of vehicles   ---   autos are
> lawful vehicles   ---   therefore, let them pass.

Bicycles are lawful vehicles as well and when it isn't safe for motor
vehicles to pass they are enjoined by law to stay back. That hasn't
seemed to have stopped them from breaking the driving regulations with
such regularity that people such as yourself don't even seem to know
the law.