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Article #155Re: Computers use 7W when SWITCHED OFF!
From: bcoombes
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:32
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:32
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Bernard Peek wrote: > In message <gpmjcr$aav$1@news.motzarella.org>, ~misfit~ > <misfit61nz@yahoo.com.au> writes > > >>> There is nearly always surplus capacity on the grid during off peak >>> times as because of the sheer size and mass of large turbine rotors >>> it takes several hours to run them up, also most turbine failures >>> occur during run down/up so engineers prefer to keep them under load >>> anyway, >> >> I think you'll find that they like to keep them spinning, but not 'under >> load', at least no more load than minimum. > > They keep the rotors turning because if you leave them stopped they > start to bend under their own weight. > > It doesn't take a lot of steam to keep the rotors turning so they don't > burn very much fuel. As soon as you draw any power from them they slow > down unless you turn up the steam pressure, which requires more fuel. > The generators that are under load are kept at a fixed 3600rpm by > adjusting the steam pressure; more load, more steam required. So the > fuel usage is mostly dependent on the load. If you cut down the amount > of electricity being drawn from the grid you cut down the amount of fuel > being used. > > There is never any power that's not being used and increased load > immediately increases the amount of fuel being used. The systems are > automated so that when a generating set is put under load it slows down. > The slowdown triggers the steam valve to open more. Opening the steam > valve draws in more water. Drawing in more water cools the boiler. > Cooling the boiler triggers an increase in the fuel feed. > > Some systems can respond to increased demand in less than a second. > Others take a lot longer. Slow systems like nuclear reactors are used > for base-load. Fast response systems are used for peak loads like > half-time at the cup-final. > Nice explanation although from a 'not used' point of view there is always inevitable energy loss over the whole grid system which the generators see as 'load'.
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