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Article #1343Re: Society's access to source code (was Re: KDE v. Gnome)
From: Bill Unruh
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:00
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:00
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In <361a5c9a.611857314@news.onramp.net> msissom@dnaent.com writes: >Not in principle. I made it. I own it. I will do with it as I >wish. If you want to use it, you will agree to my terms. Other >wise you will do without it. The principle really is pretty simple. >There are no regulations required. You can certainly go and make >your own version of it, but in no case do you have the 'right' to >take something from me. Fine. And I will ask you to enter into an agreement with me as well wehre I stipulate terms under which I will be willing to pay you money to use your software. Noone has any objection to this model. But it is not eh model that software companies selling to the public use. They try to impose a license on the user after the transaction is completed. They try to use trade secret law and copyright law to cover the same item. They claim that what they sell you does not necessarily do anything they said in their advertising it does do. And then they try to force the taxpayers through the imposition of criminal law to enforce these contracts for them. IF they desire to sell through public channels, and if they want the state to use its power to enforce their claimed monopoly then the state has the right to impose conditions on the company in return for these rights. To me, the revelation of source is a reasonable requirement in this exchange. That does not stop you from entering other agreements with me for the sale of your software to me. It just stops you from trying to use the legal system and the state to enforce inequitable (to me) conditions on my contract with you. Your position seems to be that you want the state to do lots for you, and to enforce your monopoly for you, while accepting no obligation in exchange on yourself. It;s of course nice if you can get it, but I do not see how you can see this as anything but selfishness and greed on your part. If you don;t ask society for anything, then society has no right to demand conditions on you. But as soon as you want society to protect you, though the courts and civil and criminal law, then you also have responsibilities. What those responsibilities are is of course open to discussion. I am advocating that they should include revelation of source code.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1103af,4460b3faefba3773 X-Google-Attributes: gid1103af,public X-Google-Thread: 10d8ad,4460b3faefba3773 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d8ad,public X-Google-Thread: fcfb9,942a0596db2b8174 X-Google-Attributes: gidfcfb9,public X-Google-Thread: 1025b4,942a0596db2b8174 X-Google-Attributes: gid1025b4,public X-Google-Thread: f4bda,4460b3faefba3773 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4bda,public From: unruh@physics.ubc.ca (Bill Unruh) Subject: Re: Society's access to source code (was Re: KDE v. Gnome) Date: 1998/10/06 Message-ID: <6ve6cp$d0i$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> X-Deja-AN: 398431567 References: <87zpbmkhdn.fsf@ivm.de> <kbCveHAOyWD2EwdN@dlsl.demon.co.uk> <Pine.SOL.3.91.980927140803.10597B-100000@howard> <m3af3knl8m.fsf@c26469-a.clnvl1.ct.home.com> <6up86o$t23$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> <9nQpxDAYqKE2EwlY@dlsl.demon.co.uk> <6v0oet$avl$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> <OHkl5KAObKF2EwIy@dlsl.demon.co.uk> <yq3ogrvc6kb.fsf_-_@nasrullah.tchden.org> <x7Yq2RA8iWF2Ewt$@dlsl.demon.co.uk> <F0ArHE.1M9@a2e.de> <CGv2JQAhR7F2EwZs@dlsl.demon.co.uk> <6v8oge$ej0$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> <361aadab.1964125@news.netcologne.de> <361a5c9a.611857314@news.onramp.net> Organization: The University of British Columbia Newsgroups: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss