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Article #363Re: Hardware for new Linux box
From: Anahata
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:00
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:00
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On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:28:33 +0000, Oz <Oz@upthorpe.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>If you overclock, How do you know that everything will work all the >>time, in all circumstances, > >Even if you don't, how do you KNOW this? >You don't. Mostly because things don't always work all the time and in >all circumstances whether guaranteed or not. It's not quite as vague as that. Semiconductor devices are specified to work over a specified range of temperatures, supply voltages and, at the external interfaces, limits of logic voltage levels and output currents. The way in which the performance varies with these parameters is often quite systematic and well known, so it is easy to define a few worst case combinations of conditions, under which if a chip passes its tests you can be confident that it will work uder all other combinations which are inside the "recommended operating limits". While these conditions are met, the manufacturer can guarantee correct operation. Note that "guarantee" is not scientific proof that it will work; it indicates that the supplier can afford to offer you your money back if it doesn't, because any remaining failures will be rare cases of premature ageing due to random flaws in the silicon, i.e. a quite different mechanism. I was once told that Texas sorted their TTL devices into mil spec and commercial spec by performing a single leakage current test, which characterised the chip. If that was within certain limits and the chip had already passed a simple functionality test under normal conditions, they knew the chip would work over the -55 to +125 degree temperature range and 4.5 to 5.5 Volts supply. Within wider limits it would be OK fo 0 to +70 and 4.75 to 5.25 volts. >Your argument is specious in the face of the overwhelming evidence of >experience some of which has been posted to this thread. That's unneccesarily strong. There are systematic limits to the operating conditions, and a chip as supplied and run at the correct clock speed and other conditions is very likely to be reliable. For any chip there will be a clock speed over which the error rate increases dramatically. That speed will of course be above the rated clock speed, and (as discussed earlier) may sometimes be above the next standard step up in clock speed too, if you are lucky. In other words, at a given clock speed a given chip will either work or it won't. Of course that's not the only hardware reason why a PC may crash, but that's another matter. -- Anahata anahata@freereed.demon.co.uk -+- http://www.freereed.demon.co.uk 020 7229 6076 (H) 0976 263827 (M) 020 7598 0208 (F) ======= brought to you from a Debian 2.1 GNU/Linux system =======
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