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In article <slrn8lcueu.mv0.charlesb@local-gateway.
     summerfieldtechnology.co.uk>, Charles Blackburn wrote:
>Hi all.
>

>At the moment, I've set the dialmode to be auto, but I can't garauntee <sp?> 
>that it will be connected when I try to connect from the internet.

How's about a ping every 9 minutes?

Or, perhaps:

if [ "`isdnctrl status ippp0`" = "ippp0 not connected" ]; then
    isdnctrl dial ippp0
fi

every minute or so...

Chris

On Jun 25, 2000 Chris Beauchamp <chris@etcp.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <slrn8lcueu.mv0.charlesb@local-gateway.
>      summerfieldtechnology.co.uk>, Charles Blackburn wrote:

> >At the moment, I've set the dialmode to be auto, but I can't garauntee <sp?> 
> >that it will be connected when I try to connect from the internet.
> 
> How's about a ping every 9 minutes?

Or do something useful.  If you run xntpd you can syncronize your
clock to the world with lightweight exchanges with freeserve's ntp servers
(ntp[012].freeserve.net)

-j

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In article <slrn8ld1hl.8o6.chris@dougal.etcp.co.uk>, Chris Beauchamp wrote:
>In article <slrn8lcueu.mv0.charlesb@local-gateway.
>     summerfieldtechnology.co.uk>, Charles Blackburn wrote:
>>Hi all.
>>
>
>>At the moment, I've set the dialmode to be auto, but I can't garauntee <sp?> 
>>that it will be connected when I try to connect from the internet.
>
>How's about a ping every 9 minutes?

How's about paying for a leased line? When you have ISDN,
dial-on-demand is the most considerate use of a dial-up connection. I
have my system set up this way and find much of the time while I am
reading web pages etc. I am actually not connected. The idea of trying
to sneak around the controls in place to minimise the use of bandwidth
we all have to share is very selfish.

-- 
Phillip Deackes
Using Storm Linux 2000

On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:18:50 GMT, Phillip Deackes <gsmh@gmx.net> wrote:
>In article <slrn8ld1hl.8o6.chris@dougal.etcp.co.uk>, Chris Beauchamp wrote:
>>In article <slrn8lcueu.mv0.charlesb@local-gateway.
>>     summerfieldtechnology.co.uk>, Charles Blackburn wrote:
>>>Hi all.
>>>
>>
>>>At the moment, I've set the dialmode to be auto, but I can't garauntee <sp?> 
>>>that it will be connected when I try to connect from the internet.
>>
>>How's about a ping every 9 minutes?
>
>How's about paying for a leased line? When you have ISDN,
>dial-on-demand is the most considerate use of a dial-up connection. I
>have my system set up this way and find much of the time while I am
>reading web pages etc. I am actually not connected. The idea of trying
>to sneak around the controls in place to minimise the use of bandwidth
>we all have to share is very selfish.

Hear hear, I agree entirely ... if yo'all insist on keeping connections
up with no reason then inevitably someone has to pay for the extra 
modems and incoming connection that freeserve will need to supply not 
to mention BT's extra costs (although I'm sure they could fund it out 
of their profits!).  That'll be all of us who pay.  Dial on demand
using diald or something similar takes all of 10-15 seconds to connect 
on ISDN and saves resources.  It's already a problem in the States with
overloaded exchanges and it'll soon be here.


-- 
Trevor Barton
Huby, N. Yorks. UK.
Remove X from freeserve to reply.

In article <slrn8li6rg.1dp.tmb@cow.tm-jabarton.freeserve.co.uk>,
	tmb@tm-jabarton.Xfreeserve.co.uk (Trevor Barton) writes:

>>reading web pages etc. I am actually not connected. The idea of trying
>>to sneak around the controls in place to minimise the use of bandwidth
>>we all have to share is very selfish.
> 
> Hear hear, I agree entirely ...

Agreed completely.

I think a good analogy here is with water supply.  The fact that for many
it's unmetered isn't widely regarded as a reason to leave your bath taps
running all day.

> using diald or something similar takes all of 10-15 seconds to connect 
> on ISDN and saves resources.

With ISDN dial-on-demand it's more like 1 second.

-- 
Nick Kew

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In <4p0dj8.4r1.ln@sleipnir.webthing.com>,
Nick Kew <nick@webthing.com> wrote:

> In article <slrn8li6rg.1dp.tmb@cow.tm-jabarton.freeserve.co.uk>,
> 	tmb@tm-jabarton.Xfreeserve.co.uk (Trevor Barton) writes:
> 
> >>reading web pages etc. I am actually not connected. The idea of trying
> >>to sneak around the controls in place to minimise the use of bandwidth
> >>we all have to share is very selfish.
> > 
> > Hear hear, I agree entirely ...
> 
> Agreed completely.
> 
> I think a good analogy here is with water supply.  The fact that for many
> it's unmetered isn't widely regarded as a reason to leave your bath taps
> running all day.

I don't know about Freeserve, FWIH they're quite good (so far), but a
lot of cheapskate services get into a vicious circle, because it's so
hard to get a line, once you've got it you'll keep it as long as
possible on the off chance you might need it later on.

Bandwidth isn't the problem though, if you're just idling with the odd
ping, you won't be using any. It's hogging the modem that's the problem.

-- 
TH * http://www.realh.co.uk

In article <slrn8li6rg.1dp.tmb@cow.tm-jabarton.freeserve.co.uk>,
Trevor Barton <tmb@tm-jabarton.Xfreeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Hear hear, I agree entirely ... if yo'all insist on keeping connections
>up with no reason then inevitably someone has to pay for the extra 
>modems and incoming connection that freeserve will need to supply not 
>to mention BT's extra costs (although I'm sure they could fund it out 
>of their profits!).  That'll be all of us who pay.  Dial on demand
>using diald or something similar takes all of 10-15 seconds to connect 
>on ISDN and saves resources.  It's already a problem in the States with
>overloaded exchanges and it'll soon be here.

Another advantage is that all of the time you're disconnected, and only
you can bring up the line, you're not vulnerable to outside attack.[1]

Even if I was permanently and irovecably connected (via ethernet or
something) I'd be tempted to use the firewall or even ifconfig to disable
the interface when not in use.

To think I used to have a machine left running on the open university
network.

 - Richard

[1] You're still vulnerable to inside attack but thats a different story.

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In uk.comp.os.linux, tmb@tm-jabarton.Xfreeserve.co.uk (Trevor Barton) writes:

> Dial on demand using diald or something similar takes all of 10-15
> seconds to connect on ISDN and saves resources.  It's already a
> problem in the States with overloaded exchanges and it'll soon be
> here.

Dial on demand using ISDN should not take as long as 10 seconds. It
should be able to do it in 2 or 3. The ISDN call should connect in
less than 1s and PPP negotiatiation shouldn't take much longer than 2
seconds (unless the 2 endpoints are trying to negotiate different
parameters and thus having to go through multiple configuration cycles
until they come to an agreement - in which case you should set your
initial values so that such re-negotiation does not happen.)

On the other hand, from the teleco's point of view, multiple,
frequent, short connections are not a good scenario. Setting up a call
uses much more exchange  resources than keeping a call active (which
just ties up trunks and uses almost no processing power). So the
telecos probably would not like the connect for 5s, idle for 15s,
connect for 30s, idle for 2 mins, connect for 1 minute .... etc usage
pattern. 

Graham Murray <newspost@gmurray.org.uk> wrote:

> On the other hand, from the teleco's point of view, multiple,
> frequent, short connections are not a good scenario. Setting up a call
> uses much more exchange  resources than keeping a call active (which
> just ties up trunks and uses almost no processing power). So the
> telecos probably would not like the connect for 5s, idle for 15s,
> connect for 30s, idle for 2 mins, connect for 1 minute .... etc usage
> pattern. 

There are also complications using dynamic IP addressing. Effectivly 
packets can end up with nowhere to go and loads of extra ICMP messages
being generated.

-- 
Mark Evans
St. Peter's CofE High School
Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109
Fax: +44 1392 204763

In article <q2afj8.p87.ln@st-peters-high.devon.sch.uk>, Mark Evans wrote:
>
>There are also complications using dynamic IP addressing. Effectivly 
>packets can end up with nowhere to go and loads of extra ICMP messages
>being generated.

OK, point taken, Mark. Are you suggesting that dial-on-demand with a
self-imposed idle-disconnect time of, say, 5-10 minutes is the most
friendly option? Maybe a little longer?

Cheers.

-- 
Phillip Deackes
Using Storm Linux 2000

In article <slrn8lkgt4.79a.tony@realh.co.uk>,
	{tony}@realh.co.uk (Tony Houghton) writes:

> I don't know about Freeserve, FWIH they're quite good (so far), but a
> lot of cheapskate services get into a vicious circle, because it's so
> hard to get a line, once you've got it you'll keep it as long as
> possible on the off chance you might need it later on.

As a redhotant subscriber, I know all about ultra-cheap unmetered
access.  Yes it can be hard to get a line at certain times of day.
So I structure my working so that any longer periods online are in
the morning or at night, and use demon when I can't get RHA.

Having said that, I did a remote backup of 20Mb of data over RHA
this afternoon.

> Bandwidth isn't the problem though, if you're just idling with the odd
> ping, you won't be using any. It's hogging the modem that's the problem.

Precisely.  And RHA actually seems to offer rather better ISDN  bandwidth
than demon - on average.  The only reasons to keep demon are reliability
and a decent newsfeed.

-- 
Nick Kew

Site Valet - the essential service for anyone with a Website.
Now available at <URL:http://valet.webthing.com/>

Phillip Deackes <gsmh@gmx.net> wrote:
> In article <q2afj8.p87.ln@st-peters-high.devon.sch.uk>, Mark Evans wrote:
>>
>>There are also complications using dynamic IP addressing. Effectivly 
>>packets can end up with nowhere to go and loads of extra ICMP messages
>>being generated.

> OK, point taken, Mark. Are you suggesting that dial-on-demand with a
> self-imposed idle-disconnect time of, say, 5-10 minutes is the most
> friendly option? Maybe a little longer?

I'm suggesting that ISP's think a little harder before using dynamic
IP's. (And that if they do they should stop whinging about customers
connecting for "too long".)

-- 
Mark Evans
St. Peter's CofE High School
Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109
Fax: +44 1392 204763

Trevor Barton wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:18:50 GMT, Phillip Deackes <gsmh@gmx.net> wrote:
> >In article <slrn8ld1hl.8o6.chris@dougal.etcp.co.uk>, Chris Beauchamp wrote:
> >>In article <slrn8lcueu.mv0.charlesb@local-gateway.
> >>     summerfieldtechnology.co.uk>, Charles Blackburn wrote:
> >>>Hi all.
> >>>
> >>
> >>>At the moment, I've set the dialmode to be auto, but I can't garauntee <sp?>
> >>>that it will be connected when I try to connect from the internet.
> >>
> >>How's about a ping every 9 minutes?
> >
> >How's about paying for a leased line? When you have ISDN,
> >dial-on-demand is the most considerate use of a dial-up connection. I
> >have my system set up this way and find much of the time while I am
> >reading web pages etc. I am actually not connected. The idea of trying
> >to sneak around the controls in place to minimise the use of bandwidth
> >we all have to share is very selfish.
> 
> Hear hear, I agree entirely ... if yo'all insist on keeping connections
> up with no reason then inevitably someone has to pay for the extra
> modems and incoming connection that freeserve will need to supply not
> to mention BT's extra costs (although I'm sure they could fund it out
> of their profits!).  That'll be all of us who pay.  Dial on demand
> using diald or something similar takes all of 10-15 seconds to connect
> on ISDN and saves resources.  It's already a problem in the States with
> overloaded exchanges and it'll soon be here.

I too agree, but no-one in their right mind will set up their ISDN for
dial-on-demand while BT stick with a 5pence minimum call charge. Five
minutes of web browsing with dial-up and dropping on demand say 20 times
(not impossible; 20 times 5 second calls every 15 seconds will do it)
and you have got yourself a one pound bill! Leave your connection up for
the full 5 minutes and you have a 5 pence bill. This means that
bandwidth is nobbled for everyone, and ISDN will never realise its full
potential. Oftel should insist that BT drop the minimum call charge
IMHO.

Roger.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:18:50 GMT, Phillip Deackes wrote:
>How's about paying for a leased line? When you have ISDN,
How about giving me the money to pay for it then.

>to sneak around the controls in place to minimise the use of bandwidth
>we all have to share is very selfish.

It was sold to me as a 24/7 connection option! therefore, I am using it 
24/7, but I do see your point, the main reason I do use it is to make sure 
that I can access it when I need to. unless of course you can tell me why 
when I'm on the other number, I can't dial into freeserve. ie: will connect, 
but then refuses to authenticate. it's not just freeserve, it's other isp's 
too!, and it's not just my main server, I have the same effect on other 
machines too (not just unix, windows as well).

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On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:18:54 +0100, Trevor Barton wrote:
>Hear hear, I agree entirely ... if yo'all insist on keeping connections
>up with no reason then inevitably someone has to pay for the extra 
>modems and incoming connection that freeserve will need to supply not 

so how will dial-on-demand help me access my box from the other side opf the 
country over the internet then?

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In article <slrn8lpg36.67q.charlesb@local-gateway.summerfieldtechnology.co.uk>, Charles Blackburn wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:18:54 +0100, Trevor Barton wrote:
>>Hear hear, I agree entirely ... if yo'all insist on keeping connections
>>up with no reason then inevitably someone has to pay for the extra 
>>modems and incoming connection that freeserve will need to supply not 
>
>so how will dial-on-demand help me access my box from the other side opf the 
>country over the internet then?

Charles, an IP describing itself as '24/7' or 'unlimited' is simply
stating that a user can connect at any time, day or night, without
incuring telephone charges. I hadn't even considered that such an IP
might be selling a permanent link. What you seem to want is an 'always
on' connection. For this you need a cable modem, ADSL or a leased line.
A dial-up IP is not 'always on' and the company can only offer the
service it offers if users realise this and abide by the terms and
conditions.

I notice that RM (Research Machines) is selling software to schools
which allows students to connect to the school network from home. If
the student tries to initiate a connection over the Internet, the
school server responds by going on-line. Maybe this is the sort of
thing you need. I am sure RM are not the only company selling such
software.

-- 
Phillip Deackes
Using Storm Linux 2000

On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:13:27 GMT, gsmh@gmx.net (Phillip Deackes)
wrote:

>In article <slrn8lpg36.67q.charlesb@local-gateway.summerfieldtechnology.co.uk>, Charles Blackburn wrote:
>>On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:18:54 +0100, Trevor Barton wrote:
>>>Hear hear, I agree entirely ... if yo'all insist on keeping connections
>>>up with no reason then inevitably someone has to pay for the extra 
>>>modems and incoming connection that freeserve will need to supply not 
>>
>>so how will dial-on-demand help me access my box from the other side opf the 
>>country over the internet then?
>
>Charles, an IP describing itself as '24/7' or 'unlimited' is simply
>stating that a user can connect at any time, day or night, without
>incuring telephone charges. I hadn't even considered that such an IP
>might be selling a permanent link. What you seem to want is an 'always
>on' connection. For this you need a cable modem, ADSL or a leased line.
>A dial-up IP is not 'always on' and the company can only offer the
>service it offers if users realise this and abide by the terms and
>conditions.
>
>I notice that RM (Research Machines) is selling software to schools
>which allows students to connect to the school network from home. If
>the student tries to initiate a connection over the Internet, the
>school server responds by going on-line. Maybe this is the sort of
>thing you need. I am sure RM are not the only company selling such
>software.
>
>-- 
>Phillip Deackes
>Using Storm Linux 2000
This may be a little OT, but possibly not. have a look at 

http://www.spacetech.co.uk/eurosky/index.html

seems to me to be a good idea, if a little expensive.

In article <307.395ce347.d463d@scgf>,
	gsmh@gmx.net (Phillip Deackes) writes:
> 
> Charles, an IP describing itself as '24/7' or 'unlimited' is simply
> stating that a user can connect at any time, day or night, without
> incuring telephone charges.

Precisely.  My water supply is 24/7, but I use it less than one hour a day.

> I notice that RM (Research Machines) is selling software to schools
> which allows students to connect to the school network from home. If

I wonder how many schools actually use leased lines?

OTOH, ISTR The Linux ISDN documentation explaining how to do this.

-- 
Nick Kew

Site Valet - the essential service for anyone with a Website.
Now available at <URL:http://valet.webthing.com/>

nick@webthing.com "Nick Kew" wrote:
-In article <307.395ce347.d463d@scgf>,
-        gsmh@gmx.net (Phillip Deackes) writes:
-> 
-> Charles, an IP describing itself as '24/7' or 'unlimited' is simply
-> stating that a user can connect at any time, day or night, without
-> incuring telephone charges.
-
-Precisely.  My water supply is 24/7, but I use it less than one hour a day.
-
-> I notice that RM (Research Machines) is selling software to schools
-> which allows students to connect to the school network from home. If
-
-I wonder how many schools actually use leased lines?

Quite a few where they have lots of students needing access at the same
time. From what I have heard the extra bits RM put on top of NT4 makes
things even worse. Not uncommon for leased lines, however RM still expect
the schools to use a proxy at RM. Class of 30 going to same Flash bloated
site one heavy link usage.

-OTOH, ISTR The Linux ISDN documentation explaining how to do this.

More schools should be using boxes like Linux to be the local web proxy.

-- 
Paul Carpenter		| paul@pcserv.demon.co.uk
    Consulting for General, Scientific, Industrial Computing & more..
http://www.pcserv.demon.co.uk/        for contents of site
http://www.pcserv.demon.co.uk/gnuh8/  for GNU H8 & mailing list info.

In article <20000701.2047.177658snz@pcserv.demon.co.uk>, Paul Carpenter wrote:
>
>More schools should be using boxes like Linux to be the local web proxy.

<sigh> I agree. As head of ICT in a high school I would *love* to be
using a web proxy running on Linux. While I have reasonable skills at
installing & configuring Linux on a workstation, I have no experience
using it in a network situation. I gained my experience by playing with
my machine at home - I really cannot play with the school network in
the same way!! I really dare not do anything as drastic as inserting a
Linux machine into the network, much as I'd love to try. I can imagine
the whole lot falling around my ears . .

If anyone in the Leicestershire area would like to help in any way,
they would be very welcome indeed.

-- 
Phillip Deackes
Using Storm Linux 2000

In article <66b.395f70cd.3020e@scgf>, Phillip Deackes <gsmh@gmx.net> wrote:
>In article <20000701.2047.177658snz@pcserv.demon.co.uk>, Paul Carpenter wrote:
>>
>>More schools should be using boxes like Linux to be the local web proxy.
>
><sigh> I agree. As head of ICT in a high school I would *love* to be
>using a web proxy running on Linux. While I have reasonable skills at
>installing & configuring Linux on a workstation, I have no experience
>using it in a network situation. I gained my experience by playing with
>my machine at home - I really cannot play with the school network in
>the same way!! I really dare not do anything as drastic as inserting a
>Linux machine into the network, much as I'd love to try. I can imagine
>the whole lot falling around my ears . .
>
>If anyone in the Leicestershire area would like to help in any way,
>they would be very welcome indeed.

I'm not in Leicestershire but I've set one of our local schools up with
a Linux box to function as a web cache.  They have a BT deal with an
ISDN line and free calls to the ISP during the school day.  The web
cache makes a big difference to response time with a classroom full all
surfing.

If I wrote down some "How I did it" instructions would you like to
test them?

John
-- 
John Winters.  Wallingford, Oxon, England.

The Linux Emporium - the source for Linux CDs in the UK
See http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/

In article <8jq5im$19t$1@polo.demon.co.uk>, John Winters wrote:
>
>I'm not in Leicestershire but I've set one of our local schools up with
>a Linux box to function as a web cache.  They have a BT deal with an
>ISDN line and free calls to the ISP during the school day.  The web
>cache makes a big difference to response time with a classroom full all
>surfing.
>
>If I wrote down some "How I did it" instructions would you like to
>test them?

Hi, John. Thanks indeed for your reply. I would very much appreciate
your instructions.

Cheers.

-- 
Phillip Deackes
Using Storm Linux 2000

Could you include the nature and ordering procedures for the BT deal, as I know
a school that would be very interested in this too.

In <8jq5im$19t$1@polo.demon.co.uk>, john@polo.demon.co.uk (John Winters) writes:
>In article <66b.395f70cd.3020e@scgf>, Phillip Deackes <gsmh@gmx.net> wrote:
>>In article <20000701.2047.177658snz@pcserv.demon.co.uk>, Paul Carpenter wrote:
>>>
>>>More schools should be using boxes like Linux to be the local web proxy.
>>
>><sigh> I agree. As head of ICT in a high school I would *love* to be
>>using a web proxy running on Linux. While I have reasonable skills at
>>installing & configuring Linux on a workstation, I have no experience
>>using it in a network situation. I gained my experience by playing with
>>my machine at home - I really cannot play with the school network in
>>the same way!! I really dare not do anything as drastic as inserting a
>>Linux machine into the network, much as I'd love to try. I can imagine
>>the whole lot falling around my ears . .
>>
>>If anyone in the Leicestershire area would like to help in any way,
>>they would be very welcome indeed.
>
>I'm not in Leicestershire but I've set one of our local schools up with
>a Linux box to function as a web cache.  They have a BT deal with an
>ISDN line and free calls to the ISP during the school day.  The web
>cache makes a big difference to response time with a classroom full all
>surfing.
>
>If I wrote down some "How I did it" instructions would you like to
>test them?
>
>John
>-- 
>John Winters.  Wallingford, Oxon, England.
>
>The Linux Emporium - the source for Linux CDs in the UK
>See http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/

In article <962729759.28399.0.nnrp-01.c0a06d98@news.demon.co.uk>,
 <David.Goodenough@DGA.co.uk@> wrote:

[Please post new text after the relevant quoted text and snip
 unnecessary stuff.]

>In <8jq5im$19t$1@polo.demon.co.uk>, john@polo.demon.co.uk (John Winters) writes:
[snip]
>>I'm not in Leicestershire but I've set one of our local schools up with
>>a Linux box to function as a web cache.  They have a BT deal with an
>>ISDN line and free calls to the ISP during the school day.  The web
>>cache makes a big difference to response time with a classroom full all
>>surfing.
>
>Could you include the nature and ordering procedures for the BT deal, as I know
>a school that would be very interested in this too.

I'm afraid I don't have any details of that - the school's IT person
took care of that himself.  I presume BT would tell you if you asked
them.

John
-- 
John Winters.  Wallingford, Oxon, England.

The Linux Emporium - the source for Linux CDs in the UK
See http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/

In article <66b.395f70cd.3020e@scgf>, Phillip Deackes <gsmh@gmx.net> wrote:
>>More schools should be using boxes like Linux to be the local web proxy.
>
><sigh> I agree. As head of ICT in a high school I would *love* to be
>using a web proxy running on Linux. While I have reasonable skills at
>installing & configuring Linux on a workstation, I have no experience
>using it in a network situation. I gained my experience by playing with
>my machine at home - I really cannot play with the school network in
>the same way!!

Apologies if you already know about it, but you might find help
from others in the education sector via the SuSE UK Schools mailing
list. It is hosted by SuSE but covers all flavours.

Mail to suse-linux-uk-schools-subscribe@suse.com to subscribe.

Otherwise, I appreciate your nervousness at disrupting the school network.
Do you have an old machine at school available for trials? I'm sure
the most excellent John Winters' instructions won't be that tortuous,
and in some ways fitting a machine into an existing network is easier
than running solo at home;  somebody else has already worried about
IP numbering, gateways, name resolution and the like. The only unsettling
experiences I have had installing various distributions on my work PC
have been getting the automounter working properly, not something that
will affect you; otherwise everything was literally putting IP numbers
in boxes and off you go.
-- 
Jim Hague - jim.hague@insignia.com (Work), jim@bear-cave.org.uk (Play)
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Your country may be at risk if you fail to comply.       [www.ntk.net]

God! How did you get your Speedway! card to work with Linux in the first
place?
It's never worked for me. I'm running Mandrake7 (and Windozw which I'm using
right now)

--
Aaron :o)

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aaron@fimister.fsnetNADASPAMOK.co.uk

On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 19:54:17 +0100, "Aaron A Fimister"
<aaron@fimister.fsnet.coNADASPAMOK.uk> wrote:

>God! How did you get your Speedway! card to work with Linux in the first
>place?
>It's never worked for me. I'm running Mandrake7 (and Windozw which I'm using
>right now)

I can recommend SuSE 6.4. It took me a while to get things working
with 6.3, but using YaST2 in 6.4 I had the hardware configured in
about a minute and using YaST had the software easily configured in
just a few more minutes!

Andrew.

In article <8k592g$8hg$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, Aaron A Fimister wrote:
>God! How did you get your Speedway! card to work with Linux in the first
>place?
>It's never worked for me. I'm running Mandrake7 (and Windozw which I'm using
>right now)

You need to compile the kernel to support the Fritz AVM PCI card then
make sure you have installed the isdn4linux package (isdnutils for
Debian-based distros). Then follow the instructions on this *excellent*
site:

http://www.thennion.demon.co.uk/ISDN.html

It all worked for me first time. I knew nothing about ISDN before that.

-- 
Phillip Deackes
Using Storm Linux 2000

"Charles Blackburn" <charlesb@local-news.summerfieldtechnology.co.uk> wrote
in message
news:slrn8lpg36.67q.charlesb@local-gateway.summerfieldtechnology.co.uk...
> so how will dial-on-demand help me access my box from the other side opf
the
> country over the internet then?
>
<snip>
You could do it the way I do...
Configure dial on demand with 10 mins idle cut-off.

configure cron to run the following script every hour:-

#! /bin/sh
declare -i pingcount=0;
while !(test -e /var/run/ip-up.iface); do
 let pingcount+=1;
 logger "domail: ppp is down. Pinging $pingcount";
 ping -c 1 -w 1 195.92.195.95 > /dev/null;
 sleep 10;
done;
logger "domail: Getting mail...."
fetchmail -v -f /etc/fetchmailrc
logger "domail: Sending mail...."
sendmail -q
logger "domail: done."

Add the following to /etc/ppp/ip-up:-

 echo $INTERFACE > /var/run/ip-up.iface
 date > /tmp/ip-up-mesg
 echo $LOCALIP >> /tmp/ip-up-mesg
 cat /tmp/ip-up-mesg | mail -s "Latest connection" your@email_address

Add the following to /etc/ppp/ip-down (it might be the same file!) :-

rm /var/run/ip-up.iface

The following are in my /etc/crontab :-
5 * * * * root  /usr/bin/domail > /dev/null
15-55/10 * * * * root test -e /var/run/ip-up.iface && /usr/bin/domail >
/dev/null

The result is that the link is brought up at 5 past every hour, it
syncronises my mail accounts and then stays up for ten minutes. This allows
me to connect in remotely via ssh during the 10 minute window. As I
work away from home during tthe week, it allows me to administer my system,
collect mail etc., and start downloads.
Works very well, except I've yet to find a decent ssh client for Windows!

HTH

Simno

Its really an AVM Fritz PCI card, configure it as such and it works a treat.

In <8k592g$8hg$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Aaron A Fimister" <aaron@fimister.fsnet.coNADASPAMOK.uk> writes:
>God! How did you get your Speedway! card to work with Linux in the first
>place?
>It's never worked for me. I'm running Mandrake7 (and Windozw which I'm using
>right now)
>
>--
>Aaron :o)
>
>    i_____!
>><o~!!!~o><
>  .o0OO0o.
>  / +=+=+ \
>aaron@fimister.fsnetNADASPAMOK.co.uk
>
>