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In article <37e54335.7014241@news.globalnet.co.uk>, Guy Fawkes
<guy.fawkes@error404.surfbaud.co.uk> writes
>>What can I do?
>
>kill your screensaver

I don't use one.
-- 
Andy Mabbett
        "If they censure you, they tell you to cut it out.
         If they censor you, they just cut it out."

In article <dSfPFJAYcS53EwOK@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk>, Andy Mabbett
<andy@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk> writes
>A couple of times lately, while running Scandisc overnight, I've been
>told "Windows has had to restart 10 times because another programme is
>using this drive" (I paraphrase). I've even tried closing down
>everything in sight (via CTRL- ALT- DEL).
>
>What can I do?


If in Win95, click on start and leave it with a menu open, then switch
off your monitor.

Disable your screen saver before you run it.

If in Win 98, then use the maintenance wiz/scheduled task to start it
going.

HTH
-- 
paul

Hi,

I've only just picked up on this thread, so if what I say has already
been said then I apologise in advance.

Do you have an icon in Control Panel called Fast Find? It comes with
Office, Word etc. If so disable it. Fast Find keeps a log of your files
and keeps monitoring the hard drives. This cured the same problem I used
to have with Scandisk.
-- 
Tony Bolton

Andy Mabbett wrote in message ...
>A couple of times lately, while running Scandisc overnight, I've been
>told "Windows has had to restart 10 times because another programme
>is using this drive" (I paraphrase). I've even tried closing down
>everything in sight (via CTRL- ALT- DEL).
>
>What can I do?

Hi Andy,

FWIW, a standard ScanDisk check (which I assume you are NOT running)
should take very roughly 15 secs per gigabyte.  A thorough check
WITHOUT write checking should take very roughly 4-5 minutes per
gigabyte.  A thorough check WITH write checking should take very
roughly 9 minutes per gigabyte.  All these are ballpark figures and
apply if you have prevented interruptions, and the screensaver does
not kick in.

Since you're running ScanDisk overnight, I assume you are running it
with: Type of test: "Thorough" radio button - checked
Options: Do not perform write testing - UNchecked
and on a large (greater than 2-3 Gbyte) drive (otherwise why leave it
overnight?).

Since you don't run a screensaver, if you have closed all processes
revealed in the Ctrl-Alt-Del scan except Explorer and Systray, you
have now eliminated all the more common causes of this problem and
there is NO point consulting the relevant MS Knowledge base article
(http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q222/4/69.ASP)
mentioned here merely for other interested parties.

Your problem WILL BE due to a background process accessing the drive
and causing ScanDisk to restart.

Processes need not reveal themselves to the Ctrl-Alt-Del scan, so
other things to consider in no particular order are:

1) Are you running System Agent and scheduling a conflicting disk
task?

2) Are you running an on-access background virus checker?  This will
cause disk activity, and prevent Scandisk completing.

3) Do you have a virus?  Unlikely, but you can download a free
scanner, eg F-PROT from
http://www.complex.is/

4) Is it possible that there is some event sound that is triggering
during this process?  This will certainly cause disk activity, and
there is a chance this may interfere with Scandisk.

5) Other processes may be launched from registry keys at bootup, (Use
Regedit.exe) and the keys to check are:
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

6) Another launch point is WIN.INI file, section
[windows]
load=

7) Another launch point is Autoexec.bat, check for non-standard
programs loading:

8) Yet another launch point is the folder:
C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp\ - check what is starting from
there.

9) The only remaining launch point I am aware of is reached by
directly altering the internal strings hardcoded in file IO.SYS at or
around offset A40Dhex (Win95 OSR2 value).  Do you have a hacker in the
area?

10) Is the machine connected to a network where another user may be
triggering disk activity?

Failing any of these, I imagine you're running SETIathome, and you've
got one (I expect they'd like to know at:
http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/).

I hope this helps.

William

In article <dSfPFJAYcS53EwOK@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk>, Andy Mabbett <andy@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>A couple of times lately, while running Scandisc overnight, I've been
>told "Windows has had to restart 10 times because another programme is
>using this drive" (I paraphrase). I've even tried closing down
>everything in sight (via CTRL- ALT- DEL).
>
>What can I do?
There's a very nice little tool called TaskInfo (maybe TaskInfo98 now: he 
went shareware on the last release or so).  I think it's grabbable from 
www.winfiles.com

Essentially the same as the WinNT task-manager thingy: lets you see and kill 
individual processes, a *lot* better than the standard ctrl-alt-delete menu

Try using that and see what's hidden in the background.
laters
        juice        

In article <MffF3.1521$Xj2.137690@newsr2.u-net.net>, William 
(nospam@wavenet.co.uk) says...
>
>Andy Mabbett wrote in message ...
>>A couple of times lately, while running Scandisc overnight, I've been
>>told "Windows has had to restart 10 times because another programme
>>is using this drive" (I paraphrase). I've even tried closing down
>>everything in sight (via CTRL- ALT- DEL).
>>
>>What can I do?
>
>...>
>Processes need not reveal themselves to the Ctrl-Alt-Del scan, so
>other things to consider in no particular order are:
>
>1) Are you running System Agent and scheduling a conflicting disk
>task?

You don't have to be scheduling any other program. System Agent and Task 
Scheduler both write to the disk regularly unless you pause them - and that's 
probably the answer here.

>2) Are you running an on-access background virus checker?  This will
>cause disk activity, and prevent Scandisk completing.

WinGuard (Dr Sol) doesn't have this problem.

>...>

HTH
-- 
Dirk Fieldhouse                 Logica UK Limited
fieldhouse@logica.com           75 Hampstead Road
c=gb;a=attmail;p=logica;        London NW1 2PL
o=LOGICA;ou1=UK;s=fieldhouse    UK
+44 (171) 637 9111

On Sunday, in article
     <dSfPFJAYcS53EwOK@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk>
     andy@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk "Andy Mabbett" wrote:

"A couple of times lately, while running Scandisc overnight, I've been
"told "Windows has had to restart 10 times because another programme is
"using this drive" (I paraphrase). I've even tried closing down
"everything in sight (via CTRL- ALT- DEL).
"
"What can I do?

[Other interesting posts read]

    I have had this problem quite often.  Using Startup Manager to
 eliminate everything possible helps.  (Btw, I thought that Scandisk
 was supposed to deactivate the screensaver?).

    But the best (though not free) solution is to run Norton Disk
 Doctor instead.  It is a good deal faster than Scandisk, does not seem
 to get restarted so often, hustles through the restarts quickly, and
 does not seem to have a maximum-restarts count set.  So it always
 completes, unless there os a complete disk-hang.

    (You can often find outdated versions of Norton Utilities at
 cut-price.  W95 version 2 is fine.)

                                                Chris K.
-- 
Chris Kennington in anti-spam news-posting mode.
  If e-mailing replies, please use name "chris@".

I've had this problem. Also running defrag .. it never gets past the
initial disk check. All you need to do is boot into safe mode. Press
F8 as the "starting windows" message appears in the top left hand
corner of the screen and choose to boot into safe mode. You'll find
you can then run scandisk and defrag without any problems.

Marcus

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:10:32 +0100, Andy Mabbett
<andy@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>A couple of times lately, while running Scandisc overnight, I've been
>told "Windows has had to restart 10 times because another programme is
>using this drive" (I paraphrase). I've even tried closing down
>everything in sight (via CTRL- ALT- DEL).
>
>What can I do?
>-- 
>Andy Mabbett
>        "If they censure you, they tell you to cut it out.
>         If they censor you, they just cut it out."

I had this problem.  Someone on this group advised me to run Scandisk
under Dos from the Dos prompt using the command C:\Dos\Scandisk/all.
It worked a treat, and I experience no problems with this as the
solution.
On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:10:32 +0100, Andy Mabbett
<andy@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>A couple of times lately, while running Scandisc overnight, I've been
>told "Windows has had to restart 10 times because another programme is
>using this drive" (I paraphrase). I've even tried closing down
>everything in sight (via CTRL- ALT- DEL).
>
>What can I do?
>-- 
>Andy Mabbett
>        "If they censure you, they tell you to cut it out.
>         If they censor you, they just cut it out."

In article <7s50uq$8no$1@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk>  ** none **   writes:

>In article <dSfPFJAYcS53EwOK@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk>, Andy Mabbett
> <andy@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>A couple of times lately, while running Scandisc overnight, I've been
>>told "Windows has had to restart 10 times because another programme is
>>using this drive" (I paraphrase). I've even tried closing down
>>everything in sight (via CTRL- ALT- DEL).
>>
>>What can I do?
>There's a very nice little tool called TaskInfo (maybe TaskInfo98 now: he
>went shareware on the last release or so).  I think it's grabbable from
>www.winfiles.com
>
>Essentially the same as the WinNT task-manager thingy: lets you see and kill
>individual processes, a *lot* better than the standard ctrl-alt-delete menu

Also one called TrackIt I have found useful, same place.

{R}

In article <dSfPFJAYcS53EwOK@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk>, Andy
Mabbett <andy@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk> writes
>A couple of times lately, while running Scandisc overnight, I've been
>told "Windows has had to restart 10 times because another programme is
>using this drive" (I paraphrase). I've even tried closing down
>everything in sight (via CTRL- ALT- DEL).
>
>What can I do?

Is Seti@home running ??




-- 
Tim Puffett

In article <1lHm4DAnNk53EwIg@tr-unltd.demon.co.uk>, Tony Bolton
<tonyb@tr-unltd.demon.co.uk> writes
>Do you have an icon in Control Panel called Fast Find? It comes with
>Office, Word etc. If so disable it.

I did that the day this machine came out if it's box, thanks.
-- 
Andy Mabbett
        "If they censure you, they tell you to cut it out.
         If they censor you, they just cut it out."

In article <Qv7z6DAxG153Ew93@puffett.demon.co.uk>, Tim Puffett
<tim@puffett.demon.co.uk> writes
>Is Seti@home running ??

Almost certainly, but not on this machine ;-)
-- 
Andy Mabbett
        "If they censure you, they tell you to cut it out.
         If they censor you, they just cut it out."

In article <MffF3.1521$Xj2.137690@newsr2.u-net.net>, William
<nospam@wavenet.co.uk> writes

>Since you're running ScanDisk overnight, I assume you are running it
>with: Type of test: "Thorough" radio button - checked
>Options: Do not perform write testing - UNchecked
>and on a large (greater than 2-3 Gbyte) drive

Yes - 10G

>(otherwise why leave it overnight?).

I surf during every waking minute?

>1) Are you running System Agent and scheduling a conflicting disk
>task?

Hmm, that /might/ have been the case on the last occasion - I would have
thought it would have finished long before the scheduled defrag cut in,
but I really can't remember what time I went to bed...

>2) Are you running an on-access background virus checker?  This will
>cause disk activity, and prevent Scandisk completing.

I use Sophos Sweep & Intercheck, but these should have been closed own 

>3) Do you have a virus?

I update Sophos religiously - I do it on Sunday mornings

<IGMC>

>4) Is it possible that there is some event sound that is triggering
>during this process?

All turned off.

>5) Other processes may be launched from registry keys at bootup, (Use
>Regedit.exe) and the keys to check are:
>HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
>HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices
>HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

I have yet to play with^W^W investigate the joys of the registry.

[...]

>Do you have a hacker in the area?

Who doesn't?

>10) Is the machine connected to a network where another user may be
>triggering disk activity?

No.

>Failing any of these, I imagine you're running SETIathome, and you've
>got one

Damn. Now I'm going to have to kill you ;-)

>I hope this helps.

Immensely; thank you for a most detailed reply. I've been grateful for
the various work- arounds, but a proper fix is always preferable...

...and now I have your name and e-mail address for future reference! 
-- 
Andy Mabbett
        "If they censure you, they tell you to cut it out.
         If they censor you, they just cut it out."

In article <q+IwDFA1QL63EwC3@tr-unltd.demon.co.uk>, Tony Bolton
<tonyb@tr-unltd.demon.co.uk> writes
>turn of the virtual memory

How, please?
-- 
Andy Mabbett
        "If they censure you, they tell you to cut it out.
         If they censor you, they just cut it out."

In article <37e88dd7.0@energise.enta.net>, JT <Webwonder@ukeasy.co.uk>
writes

>> A couple of times lately, while running Scandisc overnight, I've been
>> told "Windows has had to restart 10 times because another programme is
>> using this drive" (I paraphrase). I've even tried closing down
>> everything in sight (via CTRL- ALT- DEL).

[quoting restored to correct sequence; quote of my sig snipped]

>we have had problems with some scanners 

I don't have one here.

>try ctrl +alt +del and stop any progs that shouldn't be there 

<sigh>

> {training aint no substitute for experience}

Quite, though you will find a useful primer on how to post to Usenet
properly at:

        http://www.mahayana.demon.co.uk/computer/format.htm
-- 
Andy Mabbett
        "If they censure you, they tell you to cut it out.
         If they censor you, they just cut it out."

Ok, the other thing I also tend to do (and this is because I run defrag
immediately after Scandisk) is to turn of the virtual memory, restart
and then Ctrl-Alt Del and end task on everything except Explorer and
Systray.

I find this not only speeds things up but also allows defrag to work on
the hard drive without having to work around the protected areas.

In article <ceEP2rB2F+53EwuR@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk>, Andy Mabbett
<andy@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <1lHm4DAnNk53EwIg@tr-unltd.demon.co.uk>, Tony Bolton
><tonyb@tr-unltd.demon.co.uk> writes
>>Do you have an icon in Control Panel called Fast Find? It comes with
>>Office, Word etc. If so disable it.
>
>I did that the day this machine came out if it's box, thanks.

-- 
Tony Bolton

we have had problems with some scanners they have a small program that tests
for the scanner lid being open in an extreme instance it loaded itself a
number of times and the amd k6-2 300 with 64meg ram worked as if in treacle
try ctrl +alt +del and stop any progs that shouldn't be there  {training
aint no substitute for experience}
Andy Mabbett <andy@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dSfPFJAYcS53EwOK@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk...
> A couple of times lately, while running Scandisc overnight, I've been
> told "Windows has had to restart 10 times because another programme is
> using this drive" (I paraphrase). I've even tried closing down
> everything in sight (via CTRL- ALT- DEL).
>
> What can I do?
> --
> Andy Mabbett
>         "If they censure you, they tell you to cut it out.
>          If they censor you, they just cut it out."

In article <37e67445.2600311@news.lineone.net>, Peter.James
<p_f_james@lineone.net> writes
>I had this problem.  Someone on this group advised me to run Scandisk
>under Dos from the Dos prompt using the command C:\Dos\Scandisk/all.

Useful, thanks; what does the "all" switch do?
-- 
Andy Mabbett
        "If they censure you, they tell you to cut it out.
         If they censor you, they just cut it out."

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:10:37 GMT, p_f_james@lineone.net (Peter.James)
wrote:

>I had this problem.  Someone on this group advised me to run Scandisk
>under Dos from the Dos prompt using the command C:\Dos\Scandisk/all.
>It worked a treat, and I experience no problems with this as the
>solution.

The DOS version of scandisk may corrupt long file names.

Better to restart in "MS-DOS" mode then run
    C:\Windows\Command\Scandisk /all /custom

    /all    - checks all partitions
    /custom - takes default settings from scandisk.ini, usually this
              is set so that scandisk only asks questions if it
              encounters a problem.

Nick.

Andy Mabbett wrote:
> 
> In article <q+IwDFA1QL63EwC3@tr-unltd.demon.co.uk>, Tony Bolton
> <tonyb@tr-unltd.demon.co.uk> writes
> >turn of the virtual memory
> 
> How, please?

Right-click "My Computer", select Properties, then the "Performance" tab. 
In the "Advanced Settings..." box, click the "Virtual Memory..." button. 
The VM can be turned off by selecting "Let me manage my own memory
settings" and then the appropriate option.

Afterwards, you can either let Windows retake control, or setup one
yourself to give better performance and no fragmentation of the swapfile. 
Set the maximum and minimum to the same value, which should be around 1.5x
to 2.5x the amount of physical memory you have installed, given enough
space on your HDD.  Of course, if you do lots of memory intensive work (eg
big graphics manipulation), increase this to more.  I have 64MB of RAM and
about 100MB of swapfile, which is IMO fine for normal use (games,
word-processing, surfing etc.)

Mark..

-- 
Clean, optimized, thoughtfully written code can really set an
application apart from its peers. (Actually, a marketing juggernaut and
a virtual monopoly can also set an application apart from its peers.)

To turn off the virtual memory:-

Click on Start, Settings, Control Panel

Click on System, then click the Performance tab, then click in Virtual
memory button.

Click on radio button marked Let me specify my own settings.

Then the boxes below should become un greyed, set the min and max to
zero.

Ok, back out and ignore the dire warnings!

Finally restart the computer. You can then Ctrl-Alt-Del to close down
everything except systray and explorer.

BTW: When you have finished Don't forget to turn virtual memory back on
again!!!!!


Best of luck


-- 
Tony Bolton

In article <pCcCxdBZ9S63EwxZ@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk>, Andy Mabbett 
(andy@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk) says...
>
>In article <q+IwDFA1QL63EwC3@tr-unltd.demon.co.uk>, Tony Bolton
><tonyb@tr-unltd.demon.co.uk> writes
>>turn of the virtual memory
>
>How, please?

Using Control Panel/System, but don't do that, it's not the problem.

As someone else remarked you have no problem running scandisk in DOS 7 (either 
boot to command prompt or single MS-DOS mode), unless you run the old version 
left behind in your DOS 6.2 or earlier directory - which will potentially 
screw your LFNs.

However that is not the point. The thing should run under Windows. It doesn't 
work because Task Scheduler/System Agent insist on writing stuff to its log 
while the scan is running. This only affects larger disks where the scan takes 
a long time.

Your options are 

-	to launch scandisk from a program that pauses Task Scheduler/System 
Agent (that you may have to write, as I did)

-	to use a different scheduler 9if there is one that doesn't have this 
problem


-	to launch scandisk manually after pausing Task Scheduler/System Agent.

Or if you aren't using Task Scheduler/System Agent, post a list of the 
processes running at the time (you'll need a proper task manager such as 
PrcView http://www.teamcti.com/pview, which shows processes that have 
registered as services and comes with a command line tool as well).

-- 
Dirk Fieldhouse                 Logica UK Limited
fieldhouse@logica.com           75 Hampstead Road
c=gb;a=attmail;p=logica;        London NW1 2PL
o=LOGICA;ou1=UK;s=fieldhouse    UK
+44 (20) 7637 9111

In article <937833456snz129.os2.7@sunshine.tm>, Richard Ashton
<{R}@sunshine.tm> writes
>>www.winfiles.com
>>
>>Essentially the same as the WinNT task-manager thingy: lets you see and kill
>>individual processes, a *lot* better than the standard ctrl-alt-delete menu
>
>Also one called TrackIt I have found useful, same place.

No longer available, it seems - Winfiles lists it, but the source and
author's home page are listed as unavailable by their host site.
-- 
Andy Mabbett
        "If they censure you, they tell you to cut it out.
         If they censor you, they just cut it out."

I didn't say it was the problem. I said it was useful when using defrag
to enable the whole disk to be defrag, and that I do it because I run
defrag after Scandisk.

In article <7sdb84$14f@romeo.logica.co.uk>, Dirk Fieldhouse
<fieldhouse@logica.com> writes
>>
>>In article <q+IwDFA1QL63EwC3@tr-unltd.demon.co.uk>, Tony Bolton
>><tonyb@tr-unltd.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>turn of the virtual memory
>>
>>How, please?
>
>Using Control Panel/System, but don't do that, it's not the problem.
>

-- 
Tony Bolton

Try running it in the Safe Mode

Nicholas

Jamie Mann wrote:
> 
> In article <dSfPFJAYcS53EwOK@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk>, Andy Mabbett <andy@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >A couple of times lately, while running Scandisc overnight, I've been
> >told "Windows has had to restart 10 times because another programme is
> >using this drive" (I paraphrase). I've even tried closing down
> >everything in sight (via CTRL- ALT- DEL).
> >
> >What can I do?
> There's a very nice little tool called TaskInfo (maybe TaskInfo98 now: he
> went shareware on the last release or so).  I think it's grabbable from
> www.winfiles.com
> 
> Essentially the same as the WinNT task-manager thingy: lets you see and kill
> individual processes, a *lot* better than the standard ctrl-alt-delete menu
> 
> Try using that and see what's hidden in the background.
> laters
>         juice

.. and it came to pass that Andy Mabbett <andy@pigsonthewing.d
emon.co.uk> uttered forth:
>In article <937833456snz129.os2.7@sunshine.tm>, Richard Ashton
><{R}@sunshine.tm> writes
>>>www.winfiles.com
>>>
>>>Essentially the same as the WinNT task-manager thingy: lets you see 
>and kill
>>>individual processes, a *lot* better than the standard ctrl-alt-delete 
>menu
>>
>>Also one called TrackIt I have found useful, same place.
>
>No longer available, it seems - Winfiles lists it, but the source and
>author's home page are listed as unavailable by their host site.

Bugger... that's a useful utility I could have done with. Any chance
you can upload a copy onto one of your sites, {R}? 

(I usually ask for a copy to be mailed, but this way others
interested in this utility can also dl)
-- 
 
"Dungeon" Dave, in anti-harvest mode...

local@aol.com postmaster@compuserve.com abuse@screaming.net

On Friday, in article <rvdeNFAxjS93EwLc@ghastly.demon.co.uk>
     Dungeon@Ghastly.Demon.Co.UK "'Dungeon' Dave" wrote:

> .. and it came to pass that Andy Mabbett <andy@pigsonthewing.d
> emon.co.uk> uttered forth:
> >In article <937833456snz129.os2.7@sunshine.tm>, Richard Ashton
> ><{R}@sunshine.tm> writes
> >>
> >>Also one called TrackIt I have found useful, same place.
> >
> >No longer available, it seems - Winfiles lists it, but the source and
> >author's home page are listed as unavailable by their host site.
> 
> Bugger... that's a useful utility I could have done with. Any chance
> you can upload a copy onto one of your sites, {R}? 
> 
> (I usually ask for a copy to be mailed, but this way others
> interested in this utility can also dl)

Try some of these:

ftp://ftp.uniserve.com/Win95/utils/trackit.zip
ftp://ftp.beemail.com/pub/misc/trackit.zip
ftp://ftp.rz.fhtw-berlin.de/pub/win/win95/tools/system/trackit.zip
ftp://ftp.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de/pub/windows/Win95/tools/system/trackit.zip
ftp://ftp.yaroslavl.su/pub/windows/misc/trackit.zip

Regards,
-- 
   Tony - G3SKR / W2TG                   email: tgold@panix.com

.. and it came to pass that Anthony R. Gold <tgold@microvest.dem
on.co.uk> uttered forth:
>
>Try some of these:
>
>ftp://ftp.uniserve.com/Win95/utils/trackit.zip
>ftp://ftp.beemail.com/pub/misc/trackit.zip
>ftp://ftp.rz.fhtw-berlin.de/pub/win/win95/tools/system/trackit.zip
>ftp://ftp.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de/pub/windows/Win95/tools/system/trackit.zip
>ftp://ftp.yaroslavl.su/pub/windows/misc/trackit.zip
>
>Regards,

Cheers! I'll shoot off there tomorrow.
-- 
 
"Dungeon" Dave, in anti-harvest mode...

local@aol.com postmaster@compuserve.com abuse@screaming.net