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Article #117Re: Intermittently stripey Hard Drive icon in OSX
From: Bella Jones
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:25
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:25
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in article BB6CED529668E13D30@192.168.0.2, Peter Ceresole at peter@cara.demon.co.uk wrote on 23/8/03 10:07 am: > In article <BB6CDA09.17275%bellajonez@yahoo.co.uk>, > Bella Jones <bellajonez@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> <thinking aloud> Why do people cross post in the first place? Surely it >> takes only a few seconds more to post to each group separately, and you're >> going to have to read the groups separately anyway. (unless there's some >> magic newsreader thing I don't know about). Not having a go, just curious. > > Because it reduces the amount that's sent and downloaded. This cross-posted > article will only be sent to the server once, covering both groups, and at > the receiving end if somebody is receiving both groups (not unimaginable) > and their newsreader uses NEWNEWS, it will download both the headers but > only fetch the body once, distributing it internally to the two groups [1]. > For articles posted separately, the body is sent and received separately > each time. Not a huge difference in this case but when considered Net wide, > especially with large articles or binaries, quite a reduction in traffic. > In the days when a 28800 modem was *fast*, it also made life much better > for the user. > > [1] This doesn't apply to newsreaders like NewsHopper and MacSOUP which > fetch articles by number, group by group. They download individually every > article you read. The problem is that article numbers aren't consistent > from server to server so if you change news source, for instance, or if the > news server crashes badly, you have to reset the numbers and start again. > With NEWNEWS, any news server on the planet will work for you without > changing anything in your newsbase. Having used a newsreader with NEWNEWS > for quite some time in my early days on Demon, with a PeeCee and then using > MacSlurp and ToadNews/TheNews on a Mac, I can say that although using > NewsHopper and article numbers is an abortion, at the time I found it > worked so much better for me, as a program, than the pukka NEWNEWS > alternative, that I've stayed with it ever since. Thanks for the info. All this seems to suggest a slight conflict of interest between the needs of the server and the needs of an individual ng...
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fc20b,132778d8897c09e7 X-Google-Attributes: gidfc20b,public X-Google-Thread: 10b5e3,132778d8897c09e7 X-Google-Attributes: gid10b5e3,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-08-23 03:25:51 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail From: Bella Jones <bellajonez@yahoo.co.uk> Newsgroups: uk.comp.sys.mac,aus.computers.mac Subject: Re: Intermittently stripey Hard Drive icon in OSX Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:25:02 +0100 Lines: 40 Message-ID: <BB6CFF8D.17294%bellajonez@yahoo.co.uk> References: <bhrh5r$30v$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> <bhrl0e$5gv$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> <1g03g7v.o2936z7b2s0bN%pd.news@dsl.pipex.invalid> <BB6CDA09.17275%bellajonez@yahoo.co.uk> <BB6CED529668E13D30@192.168.0.2> NNTP-Posting-Host: mink.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1061634350 26971 80.177.120.238 (23 Aug 2003 10:25:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:25:50 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011