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Article #374

Re: Someone's using my address for spam

#374
From: bogus address
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 00:00
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>> There is no
>> way in Demon's present setup that I can bounce any message from a user
>> who sent more than 1000 messages to the Demon server on the same day,
>> for example.
> And there's no way I'd want to,

I don't give a fuck what *you* want, this is what *I* want out of a mail
service.  If you don't want to filter your mail nobody's forcing you to.


> one of the mailing lists I use often has ~250 messages/day, and there
> are a few other Demon users.

This is nothing like any of the mailing lists I use, so your usage pattern
is totally irrelevant to *my* requirements.


> Since you're already rejecting mail to the most likely address
> to be garnered from news at a minimal cost in bandwidth/CPU
> what's the problem?

I've been using mail and news since 1984, that's the problem.  The
toothpaste was already out of the tube before Canter & Siegel came
along.


> Remember to figure in the cost of designing, writing, testing and
> implementing this extremely vague user requirement.

User access to procmail is vague????  (The server site might want to
put quotas on CPU used for filtering, or on access to security-sensitive
data, but that's about the limit of their required involvement).


> And the amount of hassle the helpdesk will get trying to get people
> to configure it correctly, especially when someone ends up bouncing
> all the mail they really want.

This is a power-user feature.  No helpdesk should be expected to support
it.  Since when did any sysadmin help people debug shell scripts?


> I've posted to a fair miscellany of text newsgroups with basically
> the same username for many years now, I only have to bounce a
> handful of emails per day - and about half of them aren't to
> the address that appears in my posts (hence auto-bounce), they're
> either grabbed from the website, or are old addresses (a few 
> one-offs for particular purposes and a couple that have never been
> used - unless someone forged it).

All of which slow down your mail delivery with protocol overheads when
you bounce them, and in Demon's case the delay can be dire.

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From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)
Subject: Re: Someone's using my address for spam
Date: 2000/11/09
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