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On 9 Nov 2000 01:16:36 GMT, bogus address <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> I'd rather see my Demon fees pay for a quality service *at Demon*.
>>> In today's Internet, that means rejecting mail from whole systems
>>> whose admins are so clueless as to be part of the spam problem.
>> In your opinion.
>
>For crying out loud, he just said he was prepared to *pay* for his
>opinion.

How much *extra* would you pay for such a service?


>What the hell is your problem with letting people get a
>service they find desirable and are willing to front up for?

If those who wish to use such a service could do, at no
additional cost to those that don't then fine. However, I'd
anticipate the cost of such a service to involve more than
"just" making a user-definable filter available.

For starters there's the help desk costs. Once a service is
offered people will try and use it, and declaring it to be for
"power users" and therefore no help offered won't put them
off trying to use it, getting it wrong then asking for help. There
may also be legal costs involved when someone bounces a message
they really shouldn't have and goes gunning for someone/anyone to
blame. Not to mention any additional load placed on Demon's
servers by the need to check if the recipient has enabled any
filters then to apply them if necessary. Can Turnpike implement
global killfiles for news yet? If not, consider why not.

Talking of Turnpike it's been a while since I used it, but I'm
dead certain it can filter headers without downloading the body
of the mail so long as you use POP3 to collect mail. And a one-off
payment for Turnpike (free for Demon customers IIRC) is likely to
cost less than a regular fee for an ISP hosted filter to do the
same job.

>As I pointed out in my original post on this, I *don't*.  There is no
>way in Demon's present setup that I can bounce any message from a user
>who sent more than 1000 messages to the Demon server on the same day,
>for example.

I take it you don't use any mailing lists then?

I presume Demon's mail system doesn't keep a running tally of all the
mail that passes through it based on the sender's email address - if
I presume correctly then I suspect implementing such a log would
incur cost.

>> why do you want to take the risks inherent in asking a third party
>> to do the job for you?
>
>You are always asking a third party to do it for you if you have any
>automated rejection at all - i.e. a computer.

Que?

>Stamping spam out is more important (to me) than any individual message.
>People who can't send legitimate messages from spammer hosts can always
>find a more responsible provider to send them from.

And ensure they do not use any ISP based in Taiwan, Arizona or Florida
presumably. Seems a bit extreme asking residents of those places to
move somewhere else if they want to mail you, but it's your choice.

>Or they can phone
>me and ask what's going on; if it's *really* important, that's an obvious
>step, isn't it?  I keep a list of blocked sites on my website so people
>can tell in advance if they're going to get through.

Assuming they would even think to look at your website. Me, I'd try
mailing postmaster as a first step (I presume that you receive, or at
least check, all mail addressed to postmaster?)

>How?  I want to bounce all email routed through UUNET or originated
>from sites in Arizona, for example, and I want to incur *zero* CPU and
>communications overhead in doing so.  Tell me how to do that on Demon's
>present setup.

Firewall all incoming connections to port 25 and refrain from using
POP3.

>> or not to download items if you use POP3.
>
>Not without taking a ludicrous amount of time scanning lists of garbage.

Automate the process - set up an "always accept" list and an "always
reject".

Or control by deciding who you receive mail *for*. The processing
cost of sendmail saying "sod off - user unknown" isn't exactly
high.

>What we are requesting is an *additional level of service* from Demon.
>Nobody's trying to stop you having an unfiltered mailfeed comprising
>80% spam (like mine at present) if that's what you want.

2 or 3 items of UBE received in the last 12 months. Average of over
120 emails a day received.

Proportion of bounced to received mail about 10%.

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