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>> I'd rather see my Demon fees pay for a quality service *at Demon*.
>> In today's Internet, that means rejecting mail from whole systems
>> whose admins are so clueless as to be part of the spam problem.
> In your opinion.

For crying out loud, he just said he was prepared to *pay* for his
opinion.  What the hell is your problem with letting people get a
service they find desirable and are willing to front up for?


> As you already have the power to reject mail on any grounds you like

As I pointed out in my original post on this, I *don't*.  There is no
way in Demon's present setup that I can bounce any message from a user
who sent more than 1000 messages to the Demon server on the same day,
for example.


> why do you want to take the risks inherent in asking a third party
> to do the job for you?

You are always asking a third party to do it for you if you have any
automated rejection at all - i.e. a computer.  The difference is simply
that I want Demon's computer to do it, not mine.  Which would be far
more efficient, save me a great deal of aggravation, and be a service
worth paying for.


> It is also likely to bounce mail that is not UCE/UBE. That mail is likely
> to be important. 

Stamping spam out is more important (to me) than any individual message.
People who can't send legitimate messages from spammer hosts can always
find a more responsible provider to send them from.  Or they can phone
me and ask what's going on; if it's *really* important, that's an obvious
step, isn't it?  I keep a list of blocked sites on my website so people
can tell in advance if they're going to get through.


> You may think that all mail originating from particular domains (with
> thousands of customers/users) should be bounced. If so you are free to
> do it.

How?  I want to bounce all email routed through UUNET or originated
from sites in Arizona, for example, and I want to incur *zero* CPU and
communications overhead in doing so.  Tell me how to do that on Demon's
present setup.


> You have the ability to refuse to accept SMPT delivery from the punts

Not on the criteria I want to apply.


> or not to download items if you use POP3.

Not without taking a ludicrous amount of time scanning lists of garbage.


What we are requesting is an *additional level of service* from Demon.
Nobody's trying to stop you having an unfiltered mailfeed comprising
80% spam (like mine at present) if that's what you want.

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