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>> Demon's attitude to incoming spam is fucking moronic and I'm looking
>> for an alternative provider as a result of it.  About 80% of all the
>> mail I now get is spam, and Demon provides no way to filter it at the
>> server end - all I can do is filter by SMTP envelope, which takes a
>> ridiculous amount of maintenance and connect time, and entirely fails
>> to deal with spams like this one.
> But they will deliver your mail by SMTP, and using Addmail, for example,
> you can reject mail based on whatever criteria you choose. No connect time
> involved beyond the time needed to reject the header automatically.

AddMail doesn't look at the header, it looks at the SMTP envelope.  So
its criteria can't include anything based on the "Received:" lines.  Nor
can it apply a rule like "bounce any message from a user who sent more
than 1000 messages to Demon today".

The time involved in keeping my killfile updated is much more than I wish
to devote to it, and the time involved in rejecting a message seems much
longer than seems reasonable - there must be a misdesigned protocol
somewhere, as it sometimes takes a minute or two for the server to send
the next message following a bounce. 


> Demon are absolutely right; they are an ISP for grownups and they furnish
> the means to filter mail as you wish. It isn't their job to do it for you;
> I wouldn't want them to be involved with rejecting my mail.

What I want is to do it myself using their machines, setting up filters
that will run on the server.


: I want no third parties deciding what mail addressed to this domain
: does or does not reach this domain.

For Chrissake.  *I* want to decide, but I want a third party to do the
filtering I decide on.


: And if Demon offered any kind of ISP-level filtering, even if the
: customer had to request it

I don't want to *request* it, I want to *control* it.


: and sign the agreement in blood, the whinging of the first customer
: to find an important email had been bounced by the filters would be
: deafening

My present filters sometimes do delete significant emails.  SMTP isn't
sophisticated enough to do otherwise.  I can live with that, I'd rather
lose a few real messages than get spam.


: remember that while you can not control who sends you mail, you can
: control who you receive mail for. Setting a From: that bounces and a
: Reply To: that doesn't means we've only recieved two items of UCE in
: 10 months

Pretty irrelevant if you've been posting from the same address since
before Canter & Siegel came along and your address is out there on
websites you can't control.  Spammers don't just use recent Usenet
postings.

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