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tony sayer wrote:
> As above we need a replacement battery for our ACER 5630 laptop.
> Anyone can recommend a supplier of either original equipment
> (Panasonic Battery Li-ion pack) or decent replacement copy ones?..
>
> Cheers..

www.batteryexpress.org.uk are local to me so I went to the place when I 
needed a battery for my Acer Aspire 5630. Good battery, decent price, so 
yeah, I'd recommend them.

John 

In article <9iscGcAmF87LFwqs@bancom.co.uk>,
   tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:

> As above we need a replacement battery for our ACER 5630 laptop. Anyone
> can recommend a supplier of either original equipment (Panasonic Battery
> Li-ion pack) or decent replacement copy ones?..

I got one for an old Toshiba laptop off Ebay. A lot cheaper than a Toshiba
one and is OK.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:5118487127dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <9iscGcAmF87LFwqs@bancom.co.uk>,
>   tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> As above we need a replacement battery for our ACER 5630 laptop. Anyone
>> can recommend a supplier of either original equipment (Panasonic Battery
>> Li-ion pack) or decent replacement copy ones?..
>
> I got one for an old Toshiba laptop off Ebay. A lot cheaper than a Toshiba
> one and is OK.
>

And the company was ?     :-)

Gio 

In article <hsosq5$pf5$1@news.datemas.de>,
   Gio <x@x.co.uk> wrote:

> "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:5118487127dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> > In article <9iscGcAmF87LFwqs@bancom.co.uk>,
> >   tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> As above we need a replacement battery for our ACER 5630 laptop.
> >> Anyone can recommend a supplier of either original equipment
> >> (Panasonic Battery Li-ion pack) or decent replacement copy ones?..
> >
> > I got one for an old Toshiba laptop off Ebay. A lot cheaper than a
> > Toshiba one and is OK.
> >

> And the company was ?     :-)

smart_parts_uk                      
Boris Stavenko
London 
SW6 1QA 

So there. ;-)

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In message <hsosq5$pf5$1@news.datemas.de>, at 14:43:19 on Sun, 16 May 
2010, Gio <x@x.co.uk> remarked:
>> I got one for an old Toshiba laptop off Ebay. A lot cheaper than a Toshiba
>> one and is OK.
>
>And the company was ?

I was happy with a laptop battery from http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/hk3zone
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In message <hspuck$9tv$1@news.eternal-september.org>, at 16:16:09 on 
Sun, 16 May 2010, Jeff Strickland <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> remarked:
>Idon't know where to buy, but it occurs to me that this is the sort of thing
>that eBay should have, and it would be a safe thing to buy from there.

You still have to be careful - many are apparently shipped from China, 
and while maybe not outright counterfeights can use low-quality cells. 
I've also had batteries without the right "chip" in them, and therefore 
unrecognised by the laptop.
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On Sun, 16 May 2010 16:16:09 -0700, Jeff Strickland wrote:
> Idon't know where to buy, but it occurs to me that this is the sort of thing 
> that eBay should have, and it would be a safe thing to buy from there.

Yes, there are lots of suppliers of laptop bateries on eBay. Some are even in the 
UK! I'd love to believe that all their wares were new, full spec. manufacturer's
quality product and actually had the mA*Hr capacity they claim. And that they would
last for as many recharge cycles as the "proper" ones at twice the price.

But, having bought compatible batteries for cameras and phones from these sorts (not
the specific ones mentioned here) of suppliers, which went flat in a fraction (a small
fraction) of the time that the one which came with the device lasted, AND held less and
less charge, for less and less time in the ensuing months. I can't help but think
there are too many crooks, fakes and bogus claims out there.

On 17/05/2010 07:46, pete wrote:
> Yes, there are lots of suppliers of laptop bateries on eBay. Some are even in the
> UK! I'd love to believe that all their wares were new, full spec. manufacturer's
> quality product and actually had the mA*Hr capacity they claim. And that they would
> last for as many recharge cycles as the "proper" ones at twice the price.

It's worth checking the capacities of both the manufacturer's own part 
and the third party replacement.  I was looking at one for my laptop: 
4400mAH as quoted.  When I checked the original part, that was 5800mAH. 
  No sale...

Jon
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In article <jcvJ8PUyxN8LFAyq@perry.co.uk>,
   Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <hspuck$9tv$1@news.eternal-september.org>, at 16:16:09 on 
> Sun, 16 May 2010, Jeff Strickland <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> remarked:
> >Idon't know where to buy, but it occurs to me that this is the sort of
> >thing that eBay should have, and it would be a safe thing to buy from
> >there.

> You still have to be careful - many are apparently shipped from China, 
> and while maybe not outright counterfeights can use low-quality cells. 
> I've also had batteries without the right "chip" in them, and therefore 
> unrecognised by the laptop.

That's why it's worth buying off Ebay and paying by PayPal. You'll get an
easy refund if you have problems. But not some months down the line.

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In article <slrnhv1pih.k5v.no-one@corv.local>,
   pete <no-one@unknown.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 May 2010 16:16:09 -0700, Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > Idon't know where to buy, but it occurs to me that this is the sort of
> > thing that eBay should have, and it would be a safe thing to buy from
> > there.

> Yes, there are lots of suppliers of laptop bateries on eBay. Some are
> even in the UK! I'd love to believe that all their wares were new, full
> spec. manufacturer's quality product and actually had the mA*Hr capacity
> they claim. And that they would last for as many recharge cycles as the
> "proper" ones at twice the price.

> But, having bought compatible batteries for cameras and phones from
> these sorts (not the specific ones mentioned here) of suppliers, which
> went flat in a fraction (a small fraction) of the time that the one
> which came with the device lasted, AND held less and less charge, for
> less and less time in the ensuing months. I can't help but think there
> are too many crooks, fakes and bogus claims out there.

If you bought off Ebay and paid by PayPal you'd easily get your money
back. Assuming such easy to determine faults from the off. Ebay is heavily
biased in favour of the buyer.

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In article <NcydnczlOfPtnGzWnZ2dnUVZ8sqdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
   Jon Green <jonsg@deadspam.com> wrote:
> On 17/05/2010 07:46, pete wrote:
> > Yes, there are lots of suppliers of laptop bateries on eBay. Some are
> > even in the UK! I'd love to believe that all their wares were new,
> > full spec. manufacturer's quality product and actually had the mA*Hr
> > capacity they claim. And that they would last for as many recharge
> > cycles as the "proper" ones at twice the price.

> It's worth checking the capacities of both the manufacturer's own part 
> and the third party replacement.  I was looking at one for my laptop: 
> 4400mAH as quoted.  When I checked the original part, that was 5800mAH. 
>   No sale...

Surely that depends on the price? Two 4400mAH batteries for the cost of
one 5800mAH for example could be worth having if everything else is equal.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
> 
> If you bought off Ebay and paid by PayPal you'd easily get your money
> back. Assuming such easy to determine faults from the off. Ebay is heavily
> biased in favour of the buyer.
> 
Indeed it is - we were stiffed by a customer for several hundred: 
claiming non delivery of goods despite a cast iron paper trail and 
postal proof of delivery. And email discussions about the goods he 
claimed were never received..

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <NcydnczlOfPtnGzWnZ2dnUVZ8sqdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
>    Jon Green <jonsg@deadspam.com> wrote:
>> On 17/05/2010 07:46, pete wrote:
>>> Yes, there are lots of suppliers of laptop bateries on eBay. Some are
>>> even in the UK! I'd love to believe that all their wares were new,
>>> full spec. manufacturer's quality product and actually had the mA*Hr
>>> capacity they claim. And that they would last for as many recharge
>>> cycles as the "proper" ones at twice the price.
> 
>> It's worth checking the capacities of both the manufacturer's own part 
>> and the third party replacement.  I was looking at one for my laptop: 
>> 4400mAH as quoted.  When I checked the original part, that was 5800mAH. 
>>   No sale...
> 
> Surely that depends on the price? Two 4400mAH batteries for the cost of
> one 5800mAH for example could be worth having if everything else is equal.
> 
And the capacity of a battery depends critically on how fast you drain 
it, and what endpoint voltage you let it go to.


And cells are probably +-10% anyway.

On 17/05/2010 10:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article<NcydnczlOfPtnGzWnZ2dnUVZ8sqdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
>     Jon Green<jonsg@deadspam.com>  wrote:
>> It's worth checking the capacities of both the manufacturer's own part
>> and the third party replacement.  I was looking at one for my laptop:
>> 4400mAH as quoted.  When I checked the original part, that was 5800mAH.
>>    No sale...
>
> Surely that depends on the price? Two 4400mAH batteries for the cost of
> one 5800mAH for example could be worth having if everything else is equal.

Well, I don't want to carry around two spare batteries rather than one, 
I don't want my laptop to run out of juice early, and the fact that the 
"replacement" part has a markedly lower capacity speaks volumes of the 
quality of the cells it contains.  I value my laptop enough that I don't 
want to fire an extinguisher at it!

Jon
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On Mon, 17 May 2010 11:01:08 +0100, Jon Green <jonsg@deadspam.com> wrote:

> On 17/05/2010 10:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> In article<NcydnczlOfPtnGzWnZ2dnUVZ8sqdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
>>     Jon Green<jonsg@deadspam.com>  wrote:
>>> It's worth checking the capacities of both the manufacturer's own part
>>> and the third party replacement.  I was looking at one for my laptop:
>>> 4400mAH as quoted.  When I checked the original part, that was 5800mAH.
>>>    No sale...
>>
>> Surely that depends on the price? Two 4400mAH batteries for the cost of
>> one 5800mAH for example could be worth having if everything else is  
>> equal.
>
> Well, I don't want to carry around two spare batteries rather than one,  
> I don't want my laptop to run out of juice early, and the fact that the  
> "replacement" part has a markedly lower capacity speaks volumes of the  
> quality of the cells it contains.  I value my laptop enough that I don't  
> want to fire an extinguisher at it!
>
> Jon

If you're buying cheap ones then that's less likely with the lower  
capacity ones.
-- 
Duncan Wood

Jon Green Inscribed thus:

> On 17/05/2010 07:46, pete wrote:
>> Yes, there are lots of suppliers of laptop bateries on eBay. Some are
>> even in the UK! I'd love to believe that all their wares were new,
>> full spec. manufacturer's quality product and actually had the mA*Hr
>> capacity they claim. And that they would last for as many recharge
>> cycles as the "proper" ones at twice the price.
> 
> It's worth checking the capacities of both the manufacturer's own part
> and the third party replacement.  I was looking at one for my laptop:
> 4400mAH as quoted.  When I checked the original part, that was
> 5800mAH.
>   No sale...
> 
> Jon

Manufacturers are reducing the capacity of the battery packs as a method
of reducing costs.  I've seen Acer laptops with three battery size
options for the same machine !  Only machine cosmetic differences and
price, separate them.

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On May 17, 11:01 am, Jon Green <jo...@deadspam.com> wrote:
> On 17/05/2010 10:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
> > In article<NcydnczlOfPtnGzWnZ2dnUVZ8sqdn...@brightview.co.uk>,
> >     Jon Green<jo...@deadspam.com>  wrote:
> >> It's worth checking the capacities of both the manufacturer's own part
> >> and the third party replacement.  I was looking at one for my laptop:
> >> 4400mAH as quoted.  When I checked the original part, that was 5800mAH.
> >>    No sale...
>
> > Surely that depends on the price? Two 4400mAH batteries for the cost of
> > one 5800mAH for example could be worth having if everything else is equal.
>
> Well, I don't want to carry around two spare batteries rather than one,
> I don't want my laptop to run out of juice early, and the fact that the
> "replacement" part has a markedly lower capacity speaks volumes of the
> quality of the cells it contains.  I value my laptop enough that I don't
> want to fire an extinguisher at it!

Some laptop manufactureres have a rabge of batteries of different
capacity. It may well be that 4400mAH is a kosher replacement for the
bottom of the range and just doesn't suit you.

MBQ

In message <5118c22f46dave@davenoise.co.uk>, at 10:28:24 on Mon, 17 May 
2010, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> remarked:
>> You still have to be careful - many are apparently shipped from China,
>> and while maybe not outright counterfeights can use low-quality cells.
>> I've also had batteries without the right "chip" in them, and therefore
>> unrecognised by the laptop.
>
>That's why it's worth buying off Ebay and paying by PayPal. You'll get an
>easy refund if you have problems. But not some months down the line.

If shipping the offending item back to China is your idea of "easy", I'd 
hate to see something difficult. The PayPal refund will not apply if the 
cells turn out to be short-lived or low-capacity, rather than completely 
broken.
-- 
Roland Perry

On 17/05/2010 12:25, Man at B&Q wrote:
> On May 17, 11:01 am, Jon Green<jo...@deadspam.com>  wrote:
>> Well, I don't want to carry around two spare batteries rather than one,
>> I don't want my laptop to run out of juice early, and the fact that the
>> "replacement" part has a markedly lower capacity speaks volumes of the
>> quality of the cells it contains.  I value my laptop enough that I don't
>> want to fire an extinguisher at it!
>
> Some laptop manufactureres have a rabge of batteries of different
> capacity. It may well be that 4400mAH is a kosher replacement for the
> bottom of the range and just doesn't suit you.

Not in this case.  The standard part is 5800mAH; there are 
higher-capacity ones available, but none lower AFAICT.

Jon
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"tony sayer" <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:9iscGcAmF87LFwqs@bancom.co.uk...
>
> As above we need a replacement battery for our ACER 5630 laptop. Anyone 
> can
> recommend a supplier of either original equipment (Panasonic Battery 
> Li-ion
> pack) or decent replacement copy ones?..
>
> Cheers..
> -- 
> Tony Sayer


Try newegg



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In article <aG3n6hCSjS8LFAEA@perry.co.uk>,
   Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <5118c22f46dave@davenoise.co.uk>, at 10:28:24 on Mon, 17 May 
> 2010, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> remarked:
> >> You still have to be careful - many are apparently shipped from
> >> China, and while maybe not outright counterfeights can use
> >> low-quality cells. I've also had batteries without the right "chip"
> >> in them, and therefore unrecognised by the laptop.
> >
> >That's why it's worth buying off Ebay and paying by PayPal. You'll get
> >an easy refund if you have problems. But not some months down the line.

> If shipping the offending item back to China is your idea of "easy", I'd
> hate to see something difficult.

Who said anything about shipping back to China? You simply demand a refund
from Paypal. 

> The PayPal refund will not apply if
> the cells turn out to be short-lived or low-capacity, rather than
> completely broken.

If they are low capacity, you'll find that out within the period.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:5119094b56dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <aG3n6hCSjS8LFAEA@perry.co.uk>,
>   Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <5118c22f46dave@davenoise.co.uk>, at 10:28:24 on Mon, 17 May
>> 2010, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> remarked:
>> >> You still have to be careful - many are apparently shipped from
>> >> China, and while maybe not outright counterfeights can use
>> >> low-quality cells. I've also had batteries without the right "chip"
>> >> in them, and therefore unrecognised by the laptop.
>> >
>> >That's why it's worth buying off Ebay and paying by PayPal. You'll get
>> >an easy refund if you have problems. But not some months down the line.
>
>> If shipping the offending item back to China is your idea of "easy", I'd
>> hate to see something difficult.
>
> Who said anything about shipping back to China? You simply demand a refund
> from Paypal.
>
And they will simply tell you that a refund will happen as soon as you 
return the faulty goods to the seller, been there done that, several times, 
different for non-delivery of course as TNP has suffered from as there is 
nothing to return, but faulty goods they will not just refund as you 
suggest. 

In message <5119094b56dave@davenoise.co.uk>, at 23:25:08 on Mon, 17 May 
2010, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> remarked:
>> If shipping the offending item back to China is your idea of "easy", I'd
>> hate to see something difficult.
>
>Who said anything about shipping back to China? You simply demand a refund
>from Paypal.

It's not as automatic as you appear to think.

>> The PayPal refund will not apply if
>> the cells turn out to be short-lived or low-capacity, rather than
>> completely broken.
>
>If they are low capacity, you'll find that out within the period.

You have 45 days from payment, depends on how slow that slow boat from 
China is.
-- 
Roland Perry

On Tue, 18 May 2010 05:59:51 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <5119094b56dave@davenoise.co.uk>, at 23:25:08 on Mon, 17 May 
> 2010, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> remarked:
>>> If shipping the offending item back to China is your idea of "easy", I'd
>>> hate to see something difficult.
>>
>>Who said anything about shipping back to China? You simply demand a refund
>>from Paypal.
>
> It's not as automatic as you appear to think.
>
>>> The PayPal refund will not apply if
>>> the cells turn out to be short-lived or low-capacity, rather than
>>> completely broken.
>>
>>If they are low capacity, you'll find that out within the period.
>
> You have 45 days from payment, depends on how slow that slow boat from 
> China is.

TBF, I've found stuff from China usually arrives in about a week, sometimes
a little longer - sometimes quicker than stuff from UK sellers who can't
be arsed to go to the post office!

However, even if you do manage to get a refund, that still leaves you
without a battery and you won't get back any of the charges the courier
or postal service makes, apropos VAT, duty and "handling" - if you get
charged for these.

"tony sayer" <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:9iscGcAmF87LFwqs@bancom.co.uk...
>
> As above we need a replacement battery for our ACER 5630 laptop. Anyone 
> can
> recommend a supplier of either original equipment (Panasonic Battery 
> Li-ion
> pack) or decent replacement copy ones?..

I bought the most recent replacement for my son's Dell laptop from Amazon. 
Was
very hard to find a better price without significant effort. Delivered 
quickly. Worked
fine.

Chris 

In article <4kSPiIFH7h8LFAzf@perry.co.uk>,
   Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> >If they are low capacity, you'll find that out within the period.

> You have 45 days from payment, depends on how slow that slow boat from 
> China is.

Try reading up on the Paypal conditions for a refund.

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In message <hstod3$s78$1@cam-news1.cambridge.arm.com>, at 10:58:59 on 
Tue, 18 May 2010, Chris Shore <chris.shore@arm.nospam.com> remarked:

>I bought the most recent replacement for my son's Dell laptop from Amazon.

Amazon themselves, or a trader in the Amazon marketplace?
-- 
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In message <51194ae49fdave@davenoise.co.uk>, at 11:21:37 on Tue, 18 May 
2010, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> remarked:
>> You have 45 days from payment, depends on how slow that slow boat from
>> China is.
>
>Try reading up on the Paypal conditions for a refund.

I did; it says you have 45 days from making payment.
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In article <gicpD$B$um8LFAgQ@perry.co.uk>,
   Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <51194ae49fdave@davenoise.co.uk>, at 11:21:37 on Tue, 18 May 
> 2010, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> remarked:
> >> You have 45 days from payment, depends on how slow that slow boat from
> >> China is.
> >
> >Try reading up on the Paypal conditions for a refund.

> I did; it says you have 45 days from making payment.

To start the complaints procedure. So how long a slow boat to China takes
is irrelevant.

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In message <511955f3b7dave@davenoise.co.uk>, at 13:22:28 on Tue, 18 May 
2010, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> remarked:
>> >> You have 45 days from payment, depends on how slow that slow boat from
>> >> China is.
>> >
>> >Try reading up on the Paypal conditions for a refund.
>
>> I did; it says you have 45 days from making payment.
>
>To start the complaints procedure. So how long a slow boat to China takes
>is irrelevant.

If the battery hasn't arrived yet, how can you complain that it's poor 
quality?
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"Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:piPrzPBzrm8LFABe@perry.co.uk...
> In message <hstod3$s78$1@cam-news1.cambridge.arm.com>, at 10:58:59 on Tue, 
> 18 May 2010, Chris Shore <chris.shore@arm.nospam.com> remarked:
>
>>I bought the most recent replacement for my son's Dell laptop from Amazon.
>
> Amazon themselves, or a trader in the Amazon marketplace?

The receipt says it came from "Smart Parts UK".

Chris 

In message <hsucgb$bd4$1@cam-news1.cambridge.arm.com>, at 16:42:01 on 
Tue, 18 May 2010, Chris Shore <chris.shore@arm.nospam.com> remarked:
>>>I bought the most recent replacement for my son's Dell laptop from Amazon.
>>
>> Amazon themselves, or a trader in the Amazon marketplace?
>
>The receipt says it came from "Smart Parts UK".

That's the marketplace, then. A sort of up-market "buy-it-now" eBay, but 
not buying from Amazon itself (as you might for some things).
-- 
Roland Perry

pete wrote:
> On Tue, 18 May 2010 05:59:51 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <5119094b56dave@davenoise.co.uk>, at 23:25:08 on Mon, 17 May 
>> 2010, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> If shipping the offending item back to China is your idea of "easy", I'd
>>>> hate to see something difficult.
>>> Who said anything about shipping back to China? You simply demand a refund
>> >from Paypal.
>>
>> It's not as automatic as you appear to think.
>>
>>>> The PayPal refund will not apply if
>>>> the cells turn out to be short-lived or low-capacity, rather than
>>>> completely broken.
>>> If they are low capacity, you'll find that out within the period.
>> You have 45 days from payment, depends on how slow that slow boat from 
>> China is.
> 
> TBF, I've found stuff from China usually arrives in about a week, sometimes
> a little longer - sometimes quicker than stuff from UK sellers who can't
> be arsed to go to the post office!
> 
> However, even if you do manage to get a refund, that still leaves you
> without a battery and you won't get back any of the charges the courier
> or postal service makes, apropos VAT, duty and "handling" - if you get
> charged for these.

And PayPal also insist you use an international signed-for service to do 
it, which again, isn't cheap.  I fell foul of this when buying a 
software CD which turned out to be a fairly sophisticated fake; WTF is 
the point of me paying a fairly high fee to send the bloody thing back 
to the criminal who originally supplied it (especially when, 
predictably, it was ultimately returned to me as undeliverable; the 
return address being as fake as the CD!)

David

In article <UsbEwyKjpq8LFAGG@perry.co.uk>,
   Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <511955f3b7dave@davenoise.co.uk>, at 13:22:28 on Tue, 18 May 
> 2010, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> remarked:
> >> >> You have 45 days from payment, depends on how slow that slow boat
> >> >> from China is.
> >> >
> >> >Try reading up on the Paypal conditions for a refund.
> >
> >> I did; it says you have 45 days from making payment.
> >
> >To start the complaints procedure. So how long a slow boat to China
> >takes is irrelevant.

> If the battery hasn't arrived yet, how can you complain that it's poor 
> quality?

You want to complain something is of poor quality before you've even seen
it? Could I ask why you bought it, then?

-- 
*The most wasted day of all is one in which we have not laughed.*

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:51198e9b5bdave@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <UsbEwyKjpq8LFAGG@perry.co.uk>,
>   Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <511955f3b7dave@davenoise.co.uk>, at 13:22:28 on Tue, 18 May
>> 2010, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> remarked:
>> >> >> You have 45 days from payment, depends on how slow that slow boat
>> >> >> from China is.
>> >> >
>> >> >Try reading up on the Paypal conditions for a refund.
>> >
>> >> I did; it says you have 45 days from making payment.
>> >
>> >To start the complaints procedure. So how long a slow boat to China
>> >takes is irrelevant.
>
>> If the battery hasn't arrived yet, how can you complain that it's poor
>> quality?
>
> You want to complain something is of poor quality before you've even seen
> it? Could I ask why you bought it, then?
>
> -- 
> *The most wasted day of all is one in which we have not laughed.*
>
>    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
>                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

You have 45 days from *payment*.
Trolling here has to be of better quality for acceptance I am afraid, 
'davenoise' indeed. 

In article <E5udnfLUFbigPm7WnZ2dnUVZ8rGdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
   Kev Bishop <kevb@> wrote:


> "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:51198e9b5bdave@davenoise.co.uk...
> > In article <UsbEwyKjpq8LFAGG@perry.co.uk>,
> >   Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> >> In message <511955f3b7dave@davenoise.co.uk>, at 13:22:28 on Tue, 18 May
> >> 2010, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> remarked:
> >> >> >> You have 45 days from payment, depends on how slow that slow
> >> >> >> boat from China is.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Try reading up on the Paypal conditions for a refund.
> >> >
> >> >> I did; it says you have 45 days from making payment.
> >> >
> >> >To start the complaints procedure. So how long a slow boat to China
> >> >takes is irrelevant.
> >
> >> If the battery hasn't arrived yet, how can you complain that it's poor
> >> quality?
> >
> > You want to complain something is of poor quality before you've even
> > seen it? Could I ask why you bought it, then?


> You have 45 days from *payment*.
> Trolling here has to be of better quality for acceptance I am afraid, 
> 'davenoise' indeed. 

 Unlike you I have some experience of buying such things on Ebay and have
never been disappointed. I assume you have some form of axe to grind - do
you 'work' for PC World, or one of those other high quality UK suppliers
hell bent on keeping prices high?

However I'll give you some more clue. If the order hasn't arrived by the
45 day limit, start a dispute with PayPal within that limit.

-- 
*What was the best thing before sliced bread?

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In message <51198e9b5bdave@davenoise.co.uk>, at 23:41:13 on Tue, 18 May 
2010, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> remarked:
>> >> >> You have 45 days from payment, depends on how slow that slow boat
>> >> >> from China is.
>> >> >
>> >> >Try reading up on the Paypal conditions for a refund.
>> >
>>> > I did; it says you have 45 days from making payment.
>> >
>> >To start the complaints procedure. So how long a slow boat to China
>> >takes is irrelevant.
>
>> If the battery hasn't arrived yet, how can you complain that it's poor
>> quality?
>
>You want to complain something is of poor quality before you've even seen
>it? Could I ask why you bought it, then?

Do keep up... if people buy a laptop battery to be shipped from China 
(because it's cheaper), they are taking a risk that it won't be a 
full-spec device. We then went on to discuss potential remedies.
-- 
Roland Perry

In article <9GNuafz4b+8LFAB3@perry.co.uk>,
   Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> >You want to complain something is of poor quality before you've even
> >seen it? Could I ask why you bought it, then?

> Do keep up... if people buy a laptop battery to be shipped from China 
> (because it's cheaper), they are taking a risk that it won't be a 
> full-spec device. We then went on to discuss potential remedies.


Where do you imagine the full price maker's batteries are made?  
And I'd suggest you check the specs of *anything* before buying. Can end
in tears if you don't. Even if it only comes from Luton. Or perhaps you
think con artists don't exist in the UK?

-- 
*I was once a millionaire but my mom gave away my baseball cards

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In message <5119f0c1bcdave@davenoise.co.uk>, at 17:33:17 on Wed, 19 May 
2010, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> remarked:
>In article <9GNuafz4b+8LFAB3@perry.co.uk>,
>   Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> >You want to complain something is of poor quality before you've even
>> >seen it? Could I ask why you bought it, then?
>
>> Do keep up... if people buy a laptop battery to be shipped from China
>> (because it's cheaper), they are taking a risk that it won't be a
>> full-spec device. We then went on to discuss potential remedies.
>
>Where do you imagine the full price maker's batteries are made?

In more ethical factories.

>And I'd suggest you check the specs of *anything* before buying.

If the seller is a liar, the claimed spec is irrelevant.

>Can end in tears if you don't. Even if it only comes from Luton. Or 
>perhaps you think con artists don't exist in the UK?

Of course they do, but they are easier to get redress from (directly or 
indirectly).
-- 
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <5119f0c1bcdave@davenoise.co.uk>, at 17:33:17 on Wed, 19 May 
> 2010, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> remarked:
>> In article <9GNuafz4b+8LFAB3@perry.co.uk>,
>>   Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> >You want to complain something is of poor quality before you've even
>>> >seen it? Could I ask why you bought it, then?
>>
>>> Do keep up... if people buy a laptop battery to be shipped from China
>>> (because it's cheaper), they are taking a risk that it won't be a
>>> full-spec device. We then went on to discuss potential remedies.
>>
>> Where do you imagine the full price maker's batteries are made?
> 
> In more ethical factories.
> 

Bwhaha.

there are only half a dozen LIPO manufacturing plants in the world and 
almost all are in China.

The difference is the spec of the cells they sell, and how they are 
packaged. not where they are made.


>> And I'd suggest you check the specs of *anything* before buying.
> 
> If the seller is a liar, the claimed spec is irrelevant.
> 
>> Can end in tears if you don't. Even if it only comes from Luton. Or 
>> perhaps you think con artists don't exist in the UK?
> 
> Of course they do, but they are easier to get redress from (directly or 
> indirectly).

On Wed, 19 May 2010 17:50:53 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <5119f0c1bcdave@davenoise.co.uk>, at 17:33:17 on Wed, 19 May 
> 2010, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> remarked:
>>In article <9GNuafz4b+8LFAB3@perry.co.uk>,
>>   Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> >You want to complain something is of poor quality before you've even
>>> >seen it? Could I ask why you bought it, then?
>>
>>> Do keep up... if people buy a laptop battery to be shipped from China
>>> (because it's cheaper), they are taking a risk that it won't be a
>>> full-spec device. We then went on to discuss potential remedies.
>>
>>Where do you imagine the full price maker's batteries are made?
>
> In more ethical factories.
>
>>And I'd suggest you check the specs of *anything* before buying.
>
> If the seller is a liar, the claimed spec is irrelevant.

No. If the seller is in britain you can tip off thelr local trading
standards. It's also easier and quicker to get a replacement from a UK
based operation (presuming they don't have to send it back to .cn
first). The ease of getting satisfaction has a real financial worth.

>>Can end in tears if you don't. Even if it only comes from Luton. Or 
>>perhaps you think con artists don't exist in the UK?
>
> Of course they do, but they are easier to get redress from (directly or 
> indirectly).

In message <slrnhv8amc.a0i.no-one@corv.local>, at 18:15:40 on Wed, 19 
May 2010, pete <no-one@unknown.com> remarked:
>>>And I'd suggest you check the specs of *anything* before buying.
>>
>> If the seller is a liar, the claimed spec is irrelevant.
>
>No. If the seller is in britain you can tip off thelr local trading
>standards.

I think you meant "yes", if the seller is a liar, and lives in China, 
you are stuffed.

>The ease of getting satisfaction has a real financial worth.

Exactly, which is why I've been suggesting people buy from a locally 
based outfit.
-- 
Roland Perry

In message <ht17gg$b4b$5@news.albasani.net>, at 18:35:11 on Wed, 19 May 
2010, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> remarked:
>>> Where do you imagine the full price maker's batteries are made?
>>  In more ethical factories.
>
>Bwhaha.
>
>there are only half a dozen LIPO manufacturing plants in the world and 
>almost all are in China.
>
>The difference is the spec of the cells they sell, and how they are 
>packaged. not where they are made.

So you reckon there are factories that cheerfully stick labels on 
batteries overstating their capacity, at the same time as making 
identical looking ones that have a "proper" capacity?

This isn't about China, it's about different factories in China.
-- 
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <ht17gg$b4b$5@news.albasani.net>, at 18:35:11 on Wed, 19 May 
> 2010, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> remarked:
>>>> Where do you imagine the full price maker's batteries are made?
>>>  In more ethical factories.
>>
>> Bwhaha.
>>
>> there are only half a dozen LIPO manufacturing plants in the world and 
>> almost all are in China.
>>
>> The difference is the spec of the cells they sell, and how they are 
>> packaged. not where they are made.
> 
> So you reckon there are factories that cheerfully stick labels on 
> batteries overstating their capacity, at the same time as making 
> identical looking ones that have a "proper" capacity?
> 

No, but there are plenty of retail packagers who do exactly that.

> This isn't about China, it's about different factories in China.

No, its not about batteries, or their factories, its about the cell 
packagers and marketers.

Think back again to Uncle Clive, selling reject transistors at inflated 
prices to suckers

Its not even about factories in China.

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:5119ce4194dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <E5udnfLUFbigPm7WnZ2dnUVZ8rGdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
>   Kev Bishop <kevb@> wrote:
>
>
>> "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:51198e9b5bdave@davenoise.co.uk...
>> > In article <UsbEwyKjpq8LFAGG@perry.co.uk>,
>> >   Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> In message <511955f3b7dave@davenoise.co.uk>, at 13:22:28 on Tue, 18 
>> >> May
>> >> 2010, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> remarked:
>> >> >> >> You have 45 days from payment, depends on how slow that slow
>> >> >> >> boat from China is.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Try reading up on the Paypal conditions for a refund.
>> >> >
>> >> >> I did; it says you have 45 days from making payment.
>> >> >
>> >> >To start the complaints procedure. So how long a slow boat to China
>> >> >takes is irrelevant.
>> >
>> >> If the battery hasn't arrived yet, how can you complain that it's poor
>> >> quality?
>> >
>> > You want to complain something is of poor quality before you've even
>> > seen it? Could I ask why you bought it, then?
>
>
>> You have 45 days from *payment*.
>> Trolling here has to be of better quality for acceptance I am afraid,
>> 'davenoise' indeed.
>
> Unlike you I have some experience of buying such things on Ebay and have
> never been disappointed. I assume you have some form of axe to grind - do
> you 'work' for PC World, or one of those other high quality UK suppliers
> hell bent on keeping prices high?
>
> However I'll give you some more clue. If the order hasn't arrived by the
> 45 day limit, start a dispute with PayPal within that limit.
>
> -- 
> *What was the best thing before sliced bread?
>
>    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW

*Whoosh*
BTW how do you know it is unlike my experience, how do you know if I have 
bought batteries from ebay or not? Presumptious much?
If you had that claimed experience you would not have suggested it was 
simply a request for a refund and paypal give it to you.

Now for your clue, Roland told you of the 45 day limit, your response was 
that it was irrelevant how long delivery took, since the 45 days begins on 
*payment* not *delivery* you were clearly wrong, the fact you cannot admit 
that and go on to try and belittle any claim on the basis of poor quality 
before delivery just shows how little you seem to grasp this particular 
reality, best you put your shovel down now, it's deep enough, no, really, it 
is. 

In article <FfCdnT44nfJpRWjWnZ2dnUVZ8sKdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
   Kev Bishop <kevb@> wrote:
> > However I'll give you some more clue. If the order hasn't arrived by
> > the 45 day limit, start a dispute with PayPal within that limit.


> *Whoosh* BTW how do you know it is unlike my experience, how do you know
> if I have bought batteries from ebay or not? Presumptious much? If you
> had that claimed experience you would not have suggested it was simply
> a request for a refund and paypal give it to you.

> Now for your clue, Roland told you of the 45 day limit, your response
> was that it was irrelevant how long delivery took, since the 45 days
> begins on *payment* not *delivery* you were clearly wrong, the fact you
> cannot admit that and go on to try and belittle any claim on the basis
> of poor quality before delivery just shows how little you seem to grasp
> this particular reality, best you put your shovel down now, it's deep
> enough, no, really, it is. 

Wonder what group you're trolling from?

-- 
*If you don't pay your exorcist you can get repossessed*

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk>,:

> In article <FfCdnT44nfJpRWjWnZ2dnUVZ8sKdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
>    Kev Bishop <kevb@> wrote:
<snip>
>
> Wonder what group you're trolling from?

Kev has been trolling from cam.misc of late.

But... Whatever. <shrug>

-- 
brianlj

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:511acb0796dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <FfCdnT44nfJpRWjWnZ2dnUVZ8sKdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
>   Kev Bishop <kevb@> wrote:
>> > However I'll give you some more clue. If the order hasn't arrived by
>> > the 45 day limit, start a dispute with PayPal within that limit.
>
>
>> *Whoosh* BTW how do you know it is unlike my experience, how do you know
>> if I have bought batteries from ebay or not? Presumptious much? If you
>> had that claimed experience you would not have suggested it was simply
>> a request for a refund and paypal give it to you.
>
>> Now for your clue, Roland told you of the 45 day limit, your response
>> was that it was irrelevant how long delivery took, since the 45 days
>> begins on *payment* not *delivery* you were clearly wrong, the fact you
>> cannot admit that and go on to try and belittle any claim on the basis
>> of poor quality before delivery just shows how little you seem to grasp
>> this particular reality, best you put your shovel down now, it's deep
>> enough, no, really, it is.
>
> Wonder what group you're trolling from?
>
> -- 
> *If you don't pay your exorcist you can get repossessed*
>
>    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
>                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Care to point out where my comments that show your trolling contain any of 
mine own?
Thought not.
If you really can't face up to how wrong you were then that is entirely your 
own problem, if you *still* don't think you were either prove it or move on, 
I have stated the case for my opinion, now either continue to sidestep and 
snipe or reply responsibly. 

In article <3o6dnem5EKcS1WrWnZ2dnUVZ7tGdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
   Kev Bishop <kevb@> wrote:
> > Wonder what group you're trolling from?


> Care to point out where my comments that show your trolling contain any
> of mine own? Thought not. If you really can't face up to how wrong you
> were then that is entirely your own problem, if you *still* don't think
> you were either prove it or move on, I have stated the case for my
> opinion, now either continue to sidestep and snipe or reply
> responsibly. 

Tell you what, pet. You buy your replacement laptop batteries at full
price from wherever you want and leave others to take any risks if they
prefer not to. Or give actual details of all the problems you've had when
importing from China - not all the 'what ifs' you seem so fond of.

-- 
*Caution:  I drive like you do.

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:511b549873dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <3o6dnem5EKcS1WrWnZ2dnUVZ7tGdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
>   Kev Bishop <kevb@> wrote:
>> > Wonder what group you're trolling from?
>
>
>> Care to point out where my comments that show your trolling contain any
>> of mine own? Thought not. If you really can't face up to how wrong you
>> were then that is entirely your own problem, if you *still* don't think
>> you were either prove it or move on, I have stated the case for my
>> opinion, now either continue to sidestep and snipe or reply
>> responsibly.
>
> Tell you what, pet. You buy your replacement laptop batteries at full
> price from wherever you want and leave others to take any risks if they
> prefer not to. Or give actual details of all the problems you've had when
> importing from China - not all the 'what ifs' you seem so fond of.
>
> -- 
> *Caution:  I drive like you do.
>
>    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
>                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

I have never suggested anything of the sort, please read the thread you are 
replying to, I responded to your assertion that it is perfectly safe to buy 
from China as you simply ask PayPal for a refund and they will provide 
without question, that is simply not the case and more than I have have told 
you so, please stop trying to sidestep the fact that you were wrong.
If you have difficulty accepting when you are wrong and feel the need to 
continue to post words into others posts that they did not say then there 
are 'real life' groups you may be better suited to.