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"I R Canuck" <direct_your_NOSPAManger@NOSPAMpopstar.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > "pearl" <tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message news:c5uosa$g73$1@kermit.esat.net...
> > > > > > Harp seals and Cod
> > > > > > Questions and Answers
> > > > >
> > > > > <SNIP Answers to questions posed by those who've done no research
> > > > > and would like to pretend Canada is 'scapegoating' the seal>
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/media/backgrou/2003/hq-ac01b_e.htm
> > > > > __________________________________________________________
> > > > > Impact of Seal Predation on Cod
> > > > >
> > > > > The 2001 Report of the Eminent Panel on Seal Management concluded
> > > > > that seals consume large amounts of fish throughout Atlantic Canada,
> > > > > but there is much less evidence that this predation is having a major
> > > > > impact on the recovery of most commercial fish stocks.
> > > > >
> > > > > The findings of the report were not conclusive and many uncertainties
> > > > > were acknowledged in providing realistic predictions. The Panel
> > > > > acknowledged that gaining an understanding of the real impact of seals
> > > > > on the recovery of cod is extremely complex and requires an in-depth
> > > > > understanding of the marine ecosystem as well as additional research.
> > > > > Findings highlighted in the report include:
> > > > >
> > > > > The consumption of cod, and some other commercial species, by seals
> > > > > in Divisions 2J3KL and 4RS3Pn is so large that a reduction in seal
> > > > > predation could reasonably be expected to have a substantial effect on
> > > > > the size of these stocks. However, the extent of this reduction would
> > > > > have to be large in order for an impact to be observed.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is not a simple, straight-line relationship between seal predation
> > > > > and the state of fish populations. The interaction between seals,
> > > > > groundfish and other species is complex and variable. For instance,
> > > > > seals eat cod, but seals also eat other fish that prey on cod. Moreover,
> > > > > other factors such as environmental changes and fishing levels must be
> > > > > considered in trying to determine why cod stocks have not yet recovered.
> > > > >
> > > > > The harp seal population has grown to the highest level recorded.
> > > > > Coupled with the fact that the annual TAC has rarely been taken in full,
> > > > > the panel expects a gradual increase in seal numbers if the current
> > > > > management approach is maintained.
> > > > >
> > > > > The current scientific knowledge is insufficient to determine the impact
> > > > > of a seal cull on cod fisheries in the short, medium or long term. Science
> > > > > and resource managers question the value of a cull in a fishery driven by
> > > > > economic market conditions. More importantly, there is no way of
> > > > > knowing how other predators and prey might respond to a decrease in
> > > > > the seal population.
> > > > >
> > > > > Current estimates of cod consumption by seals vary greatly from less
> > > > > than one per cent to more than 20 per cent of diet, depending on the
> > > > > type of seal researched, the time of year and location of the studies.
> > > > > The panel concluded that more comprehensive research needs to be
> > > > > done to more accurately estimate the amount of cod that seals are
> > > > > consuming.
> > > > > __________________________________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > > I see no scapegoating.
> > > >
> > > > 'Canadian Natural Resources Minister John Efford said many
> > > > claims about the hunt were simply wrong. He argued that the
> > > > seal population was exploding - with an estimated 5.2 million
> > > > harp seals in the North Atlantic at present � and commercial
> > > > fish stocks were vanishing. '
> > > > http://www.indolink.com/displayArticleS.php?id=041304105510
> > >
> > > So, let me get this straight.  When looking for Canadian Goverment
> > > opinions, one should look to 'indolink' an indian news site (Even
> > > considering they don't provide a quote) as opposed to say . . .
> > > the Canadian Government.
> > >
> > > Face it pearl, the Canadian Government has been falsely accused
> > > of 'scapegoating' seals as the cause of the decline in fish stocks.
> > >
> > > As far as John Efford goes.  Even in the 'indolink' news story, he
> > > didn't accuse the seal of being the cause for the decline in cod
> > > populations.  He simply noted that:
> > > 1. The seal population has reached a record high (since recording
> > > began).
> > > 2. The commercial fish stock is vanishing.
> > > Both of which are true.  It's not up to you to put words into his (or
> > > anyone elses) mouth, like you do so often.
> >
> > Please.  As if a link wasn't implied.
>
> A link wasn't implied by John Efford, just like the IFAW veterinary
> study never says that 40+% of seals are skinned alive.

Yes, it does.  42% of clubbed seals were found to have
insufficient cranial damage to render permanently unconscious,
and unless bled immediately (6% of the total), they were.
Of the remaining 58% many may have sustained severe cranial
damage during the skinning (79% of 'hunters' failed to perform
a corneal reflex check). Also, of all those observed being skinned
(counting possibles), nearly 40% were, whether shot or clubbed.

> You poorly
> interpret things and then draw false meanings.

BS.  You refuse to accept the facts of the matter.

> Like I said before,
> that wasn't even a direct quote, who knows how out of context those
> statements may have been.  They may not even have been said in
> the same day.

Read your own quote below.

> > And if you don't like the source,
> > see;  http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994877
> > "There is no doubt that seal predation on groundfish is impeding
> > the recovery of those stocks," said Gerry Reid, minister of fisheries
> > and aquaculture for Newfoundland at the time.."
>
> http://www.gov.nf.ca/releases/2003/fishaq/0203n03.htm
> "There is no doubt that seal predation on groundfish is impeding the
> recovery of those stocks," added Minister Reid. "The seal herd is in
> excess of five million, and as the herd continues to enjoy a population
> explosion, the cod fishery simultaneously decreases and suffers
> higher mortality rates. There are certainly a number of issues which
> need to be addressed in dealing with the state of the cod fisheries,
> and one of the main factors is the impact of seal predation. An
> increase in the TAC will not solve this problem, however it is a step in
> the right direction."
>
> As can be seen when he's not being taken out of context, he realises
> that this isn't the only problem.

Who said he did?  Quit squirming.

> Also, he's a minister for Newfoundland, not Canada.  While he has
> input into the decisions (much like the IFAW, CVMA, CSA, etc...)
> he doesn't make decisions.  His was a reactionary statement to
> an announcement of a quota increase.

Please.  We're not all complete fools, you know.

> http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994877
> "He says the decline in cod stocks is due to overfishing. "There is no
> scientific evidence to suggest that harp seals impede their recovery.
> That doesn't mean that they aren't - it's just that there's no evidence
> to suggest they are," he told New Scientist."

Said Lavigne, not Reid.