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On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 14:07:02 -0500, Sully <msully@tcq.net> wrote:

>Please stop replying to Malcolm's posts. You only encourage him. He is 
>trolling for crying out loud. Ignore him and stick to the topic.
>Sully

You tell them Aunt Sully. The twerps are only supposed to read the
announcements, not start a war...LOL

>Malcolm wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 00:53:49 +0000 (UTC), "Derek"
>> <delboynic@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>"Malcolm" <Malcolm@malcsplace.com> wrote in message
>>>news:5d11e488221e246b2ae26e464a8e1512@free.teranews.com...
>>>
>>>>CLOSE UP ON ANGLING
>>>>A cruel sport
>>>>http://www.animalaid.org.uk
>>>
>>>
>>>I look forward with relish to the shit (deservedly) that you will receive
>>>regarding this posting.  You must be some kind of masochist to post  a
>>>message on this newsgroup with such contentious content
>> 
>> 
>> If it wasn't so sad, you would be laughable. Like the fox hunters,
>> would you like us all to pretend it's not happening? LOL get real pal.
>> 
>> Get up to deviant pastimes and expect to get what's coming.
>> 
>> You could always turn to tiddleywinks.
>> 
>> 
>>>>There are three types of angling - coarse, sea and game. Coarse
>>>>angling is by far the most popular and probably the most cruel.
>>>>
>>>>Most types of freshwater fish (ie. from rivers, streams and ponds) are
>>>>hunted by coarse anglers, the exceptions being salmon, trout and
>>>>grayling. Their target species include pike, roach, perch, rudd, dace,
>>>>bleak, bream, tench, barbel, carp and chub. Most are inedible.
>>>>
>>>>As well as a rod, line and hook, coarse anglers have to buy a licence
>>>>to enable them to fish. Where a lake, river, canal or reservoir is
>>>>privately owned, a day or season ticket is required.
>>>>
>>>>Maggots are the most common bait and are impaled live onto the hook.
>>>>Earthworms, mealworms and bloodworms are used in the same way.
>>>>Sometimes livebait is applied - small live fish, usually impaled on
>>>>treble hooks to attract predatory fish.
>>>>
>>>>A close season runs from 15 March to 15 June, although regulations
>>>>vary in different regions of the country. The close season is supposed
>>>>to be a time to allow fish respite during their spawning season,
>>>>though it has been scrapped on all still waters (ponds, lakes and
>>>>reservoirs) since 1995.
>>>>
>>>>The most common argument used to defend angling is that fish don't
>>>>feel pain. This is untrue. Fish are vertebrates, with a brain, a
>>>>central nervous system and pain receptors all over their bodies,
>>>>including the lips. As with mammals, it is a biological necessity to
>>>>feel pain and without this capacity they would not survive. Scientific
>>>>research from around the world substantiates this.
>>>>
>>>>In a 1996 report examining the welfare of farmed fish, the Ministry of
>>>>Agriculture's official advisory body, the Farm Animal Welfare Council,
>>>>noted that:
>>>>
>>>>'Almost all fish live the whole of their lives in water and show a
>>>>maximal emergency response when removed from water, even for a very
>>>>short period. This response includes changes in heart rate, increased
>>>>production of adrenaline, noradrenaline and cortisol and vigorous
>>>>muscle contractions ... All of the scientific evidence concerning such
>>>>effects makes it clear that the term stress is certainly relevant to
>>>>fish and that the means by which stress effects are mediated are very
>>>>similar to those in mammals. Evidence that the term pain is applicable
>>>>to fish comes from anatomical, physiological and behavioural studies
>>>>whose results are very similar to those of studies on birds and
>>>>mammals. The fact that fish are cold blooded does not prevent them
>>>>from having a pain system and, indeed, such a system is valuable in
>>>>preserving life and maximising the biological fitness of individuals.'
>>>>Farm Animal Welfare Council Report on the Welfare of Farmed Fish,
>>>>September 1996.
>>>>
>>>>Fish are caught with either a barbed or barbless hook. Barbed hooks
>>>>cause more damage and are now banned at an increasing number of
>>>>fisheries, but barbless hooks also cause lacerating injuries. Hooked
>>>>fish will struggle out of fear and physical pain. They are then
>>>>dragged out of the water into an alien environment in which they start
>>>>to suffocate, just as we would if we were pulled under water. Their
>>>>gills - similar to our lungs - collapse and may bleed. The swim
>>>>bladder can rupture due to the sudden change in pressure on their
>>>>bodies. Breathing is virtually impossible.
>>>>
>>>>The fish is then handled. Even with wet hands, as recommended by
>>>>anglers, this handling removes the invisible outer mucus layer which
>>>>provides waterproofing. Fish are consequently left open to infection
>>>>if/when eventually returned to water. Time out of water is prolonged
>>>>by those who want their photograph taken with their catch in the hope
>>>>of getting a picture in an angling magazine.
>>>>
>>>>If injured and traumatised fish survive the ordeal of being caught
>>>>they may still die later through stress, or be so weakened that they
>>>>are easy prey for predators.
>>>>
>>>>Anglers present themselves as custodians of the countryside. They
>>>>claim to be conservationists without whom there would be no fish. Yet
>>>>those anglers who monitor waterways, clean up fisheries or take
>>>>polluters to court are greatly outnumbered by those who treat their
>>>>environment with contempt. Hooks and nylon line is lost or discarded,
>>>>with deadly consequences for wildlife. Litter is left behind,
>>>>including jagged bait cans. Maggots contaminated with salmonella and
>>>>botulism have proved fatal to wildfowl. Trampling of vegetation often
>>>>turns banks into mudslides, while the excessive amount of bait which
>>>>is catapulted into the water can rot and pollute.
>>>>
>>>>Each year more waterside birds and mammals die because of discarded
>>>>monofilament than the total number of swans ever killed by lead
>>>>poisoning.
>>>>
>>>>For more information visit the Campaign for the Abolition of Angling's
>>>>website at www.anti-angling.com.
>>>>
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So, you dont like reasoned, 
well thought out, civil debate?

I understand.

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