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Inner-earth Lesley wrote:
>>>>>>- Interesting that you should feel a need to point that out. ..
>>>>>
>>>>><remainder of rant deleted to conserve electrons>
>>>>>
>>>>>And the point of your ravings is ...?
>>>>
>>>>Eat meat, die young(er) and leave the world to the meek.
>>>
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>>>Only problem is that isn't the case.  The longest lived people as a group in
>>>the world are not vegans.  Kinda screws the whole vegan rant, doesnt it?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Damn. OK, steak tonight with a nice big Cabernet Suauvignon. MMMmmmm.
> 
> Actually, the people etter, our dietary wizardness, was referring to
> are vegetarians.  That's right,- vegetarian Seventh-day Adventists.

Be fully accurate in describing SDAs in the study. They are:
	- vegetarians
	- tee-totalers (zero alcohol consumption)
	- non-smokers
	- regular exercisers
	- active church members
	- Christians
	- very moderate/temperate sorts

It's not just the diet that explains longevity. It's the entire lifestyle. Why 
aren't you pushing for people to attend church, to not smoke, to get regular 
exercise, and to abstain from booze, Chelsea?

> Longevity of the vegan sub-set wasn't studied seperately, 

	Probably the best science we have was summarized in the American Journal
	of Clinical Nutrition in 1999, in an article entitled Mortality in
	Vegetarians and Nonvegetarians. In an enormous undertaking, twelve
	researchers took all of the biggest and best studies to date on
	vegetarian mortality rates and pooled all the data together. They took a
	decade of mortality data from 28,000 vegetarians from Germany,
	California, and Britain. And found... no survival advantage for
	vegetarians. What about vegans though? Despite even having lower
	cholesterol levels than vegetarians, the vegans in the study didn't live
	any longer either. Vegans had the same mortality rate as meateaters.
	http://vegnews.org/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=121

> afaIa, but
> other epidemiological (study of populations) research shows that
> vegans are less at risk of chronic disease than lacto-ovo vegetarians.

Ipse dixit. Comparative studies between Western omnivorous populationad and 
Indian vegetarian populations shows that people tend to die of the same causes 
regardless of culture or diet.

	It is usually claimed that the lives of predominantly meat-eating
	peoples are short-lived, but the Aborigines of Australia, who
	traditionally eat a diet rich in animal products, are known for their
	longevity (at least before colonisation by Europeans). Within Aboriginal
	society, there is a special caste of the elderly (42). Obviously, if no
	old people existed, no such group would have existed. In his book
	Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, Dr. Price has numerous photographs
	of elderly native peoples from around the world (42). Explorers such as
	Vilhjalmur Stefansson reported great longevity among the Inuit (again,
	before colonisation). (43)

	Similarly, the Russians of the Caucasus mountains live to great ages on
	a diet of fatty pork and whole milk products. The Hunzas, also known for
	their robust health and longevity, eat substantial portions of goat's
	milk which has a higher saturated fat content than cow's milk (44). In
	contrast, the largely vegetarian inhabitants of southern India have the
	shortest life-spans in the world (45). Dr Weston Price, DDS, travelled
	around the world in the 1920s and 1930s, investigating native diets.
	Without exception, he found a strong correlation among diets rich in
	animal fats, with robust health and athletic ability. Special foods for
	Swiss athletes, for example, included bowls of fresh, raw cream! In
	Africa, Dr Price discovered that groups whose diets were rich in fatty
	fish and organ meats, like liver, consistently carried off the prizes in
	athletic contests, and that meat-eating tribes always dominated peoples
	whose diets were largely vegetarian (42).
	http://www.vegetarian-diet.info/vegetarian-diet-issues-lifespan.htm

> Kind of really screws the whole meatarian rant, doesn't it, eh etter?

Quite the contrary, Lesley. Those who eat balanced diets and have balanced lives 
tend to outlive their less temperate counterparts.