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inner earth chelsea wrote:
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>>>>>>Adventists to a person do not smoke or drink alcohol and they maintain close
>>>>>>supportive family relationships. The effect of their diets per se apart from
>>>>>>these other factors is not known.
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>>>>>Animal product consumption and mortality because of all
>>>>>causes combined, coronary heart disease, stroke, diabetes,
>>>>>and cancer in Seventh-day Adventists.
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>>>>    Probably the best science we have was summarized in the American Journal
>>>>    of Clinical Nutrition in 1999, in an article entitled Mortality in
>>>>    Vegetarians and Nonvegetarians. In an enormous undertaking, twelve
>>>>    researchers took all of the biggest and best studies to date on
>>>>    vegetarian mortality rates and pooled all the data together. They took a
>>>>    decade of mortality data from 28,000 vegetarians from Germany,
>>>>    California, and Britain. And found... no survival advantage for
>>>>    vegetarians. What about vegans though? Despite even having lower
>>>>    cholesterol levels than vegetarians, the vegans in the study didn't live
>>>>    any longer either. Vegans had the same mortality rate as meateaters.
>>>>    http://vegnews.org/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=121
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>>>But the S-D Adventists, study says otherwise.
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>>No, it does not.
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> It certainly does say otherwise.

No, it doesn't. You're reading into it, as usual.

>>The difference between 81.2 (Okinawa) and 84.5 (SDA) is not
>>significant enough to motivate people to give up foods they enjoy -- and which
>>can still be part of a healthy diet and lifestyle. Find studies on populations
>>who eat lean meats, avoid alcohol and saturated fats, don't smoke, pray, and get
>>lots of exercise. The SDA data are not diet-only, but about healthy lifestyle.
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> Within that population, animal product consumption increases mortality.

Significantly? What rational person would gladly give up fish, steak, eggs, or 
dairy for an average of only three extra years?

> Animal product consumption and mortality because of all
> causes combined, coronary heart disease, stroke, diabetes,
> and cancer in Seventh-day Adventists.
> Snowdon DA. Division of Epidemiology, School of Public Health,
> University of Minnesota, Minneapolis.
> This report reviews, contrasts, and illustrates previously published
> findings from a cohort of 27,529 California Seventh-day Adventist
> adults who completed questionnaires in 1960 and were followed
> for mortality between 1960 and 1980. Within this population, meat
> consumption was positively associated with mortality because of all
> causes of death combined (in males), coronary heart disease (in
> males and females), and diabetes (in males). Egg consumption was
> positively associated with mortality because of all causes combined
> (in females), coronary heart disease (in females), and cancers of the
> colon (in males and females combined) and ovary.

Were those eggs consumed alone or with saturated fats like those found in 
butter, bacon, sausages, etc.?
http://www.enc-online.org/dietc.htm

> Milk consumption
> was positively associated with only prostate cancer mortality, and
> cheese consumption did not have a clear relationship with any cause
> of death.

So consumption of cheese -- what the anti-milk activists call "concentrated 
milk" -- doesn't have a relationship with mortality but unconcentrated milk 
does. Go figure. BTW, did the researchers break down dairy consumption in terms 
of whole milk, reduced fat, and non-fat?

> The consumption of meat, eggs, milk, and cheese did not
> have negative associations with any of the causes of death investigated.

See this one from the same author, dummy:
	Diet, obesity, and risk of fatal prostate cancer

	DA Snowdon, RL Phillips and W Choi

	Findings described in this report are for 6,763 white male Seventh-day
	Adventists who completed a dietary questionnaire in 1960. Between 1960
	and 1980 mortality data were collected on cohort members. *Overweight*
	men had a significantly higher risk of fatal prostate cancer than men
	near their desirable weight. The predicted relative risk of fatal
	prostate cancer was 2.5 for *overweight* men. Suggestive positive
	associations were also seen between fatal prostate cancer and the
	consumption of milk, cheese, eggs, and meat. There was an orderly dose-
	response between each of the four animal products and risk. The
	predicted relative risk of fatal prostate cancer was 3.6 for those who
	heavily consumed all four animal products. The results of this study and
	others suggest that animal product consumption and *obesity* may be risk
	factors for fatal prostate cancer.
	MY EMPHASIS, DUMMY.
	http://aje.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/120/2/244
	
Same survey, same researchers. Compare these findings to other studies of 
*OVERWEIGHT* study participants. *Obesity* kills, STUPID CHELSEA.

> PMID: 3046303 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE
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>>>Any idea what their agricultural methods are?
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>>Yes, most of the SDAs I know here purchase their food at HEB and Albertson's
>>(large chains) just live everyone else even though they don't buy meat.
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