🚀 go-pugleaf

pearl wrote:
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>>>
>>>>>The consumption of meat, eggs, milk, and cheese did not
>>>>>have negative associations with any of the causes of death investigated.
>>>>
>>>>See this one from the same author, dummy:
>>>>Diet, obesity, and risk of fatal prostate cancer
>>>>
>>>>DA Snowdon, RL Phillips and W Choi
>>>>
>>>>Findings described in this report are for 6,763 white male Seventh-day
>>>>Adventists who completed a dietary questionnaire in 1960. Between 1960
>>>>and 1980 mortality data were collected on cohort members. *Overweight*
>>>>men had a significantly higher risk of fatal prostate cancer than men
>>>>near their desirable weight. The predicted relative risk of fatal
>>>>prostate cancer was 2.5 for *overweight* men. Suggestive positive
>>>>associations were also seen between fatal prostate cancer and the
>>>>consumption of milk, cheese, eggs, and meat. There was an orderly dose-
>>>>response between each of the four animal products and risk. The
>>>>predicted relative risk of fatal prostate cancer was 3.6 for those who
>>>>heavily consumed all four animal products. The results of this study and
>>>>others suggest that animal product consumption and *obesity* may be risk
>>>>factors for fatal prostate cancer.
>>>>MY EMPHASIS, DUMMY.
>>>>http://aje.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/120/2/244
>>>>
>>>>Same survey, same researchers. Compare these findings to other studies of
>>>>*OVERWEIGHT* study participants. *Obesity* kills,
>>>
>>>
>>>J Clin Gastroenterol. 1986 Aug;8(4):451-3.
>>>Energy intake and body weight in ovo-lacto vegetarians.
>>>Levin N, Rattan J, Gilat T.
>>>  Vegetarians have a lower body weight than omnivores.
>>
>>*Entirely* irrelevant to the issue at hand. Stop moving goalposts, you nasty
>>foot-fetishist.
> 
> Temper, temper.

My temper is under control. I laugh at you, I don't lose my cool.

> You tried to move the goalposts, but they
> were just too heavy for you.

No, Lesley, I showed your misuse of the studies you cite. I can show you fat 
veg-ns and thin meat-eaters. It has nothing to do with your points taken from 
the SDA study. As Derek has also rightly shown, SDAs are not merely vegetarian. 
Their lifestyles encompass factors far beyond the scope of the studies you've 
(mis)used to make points.

> hahaha.  BTW, thanks for this;
> 
> 'Suggestive positive associations were also seen between fatal
> prostate cancer and the consumption of milk, cheese, eggs, and
> meat. There was an orderly dose- response between each of
> the four animal products and risk. The predicted relative risk of
> fatal prostate cancer was 3.6 for those who heavily consumed
> all four animal products.'

Pay attention: those surveyed in that study were OBESE and they HEAVILY consumed 
those products. Both factors -- obesity and level of consumption -- are notable.

> Not so useless, after all.  Rah.

I'm not, but you sure are.