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do you honestly think any one will read this tripe, just as well you know
how to cut and paste otherwise you would have wasted all your time typing

"Malcolm" <Malcolm@headinbutt.com> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.fluffbunny/animalrights/myths.php
>
> 1. Hunting is a right
>
> Wrong.
>
> Hunting is a privilege. ALL states recognize hunting as a privilege
> granted to certain individuals... not a right. Neither the federal nor
> any state constitution recognize hunting as a right. From the Illinois
> hunter education manual, page 5:
>
> "Privileges are extra benefits given to a person or group. They may be
> given only to people who meet certain conditions. Hunting is an
> example of a privilege." ALL states teach in their hunter education
> classes that hunting is a privilege.
>
> 2. Hunters control animal populations
>
>
> Wrong.
> Hunters manipulate animal populations for their own benefit.
>
> Whitetail deer have been manipulated to the point of overpopulation in
> some areas. From Mr. DuBrock, Director of Wildlife, Pennsylvania Game
> Comission:
>

     Wrong....more deer in the US are killed by automobiles than hunters.
Automobiles
are manipulating the deer population.

Automobiles, driver licenses, are a privilege......not a right.
Ban automobiles and the resultant manipulation of the deer population.

Through efforts of the states DNR deer populations are at there highest.
Deer also cause tens of millions in damage to vehicles each year. Bad deer

Ban stupid deer, ban cars...........at some point Malcolm other groups will
get around to
banning things you like.

Malcolm wrote:
: http://www.animalfrontline.nl/jagen/myths.php
:
: 1. Hunting is a right

cool!

again, why do you need to post this shite to 3 UK groups?
we dont have the animals your slavvering on about, and couldnt care less
what happens to the lesser spotted Pensylvanian mountain goat.
We couldnt care less if you flooded the entire fuckin country so please fuck
the hell off and quit posting someone elses shite all over British
newsgroups.

What's this crap doinf in a fishing news group? Just wasting space!
"Malcolm" <Malcolm@malcsplace.com> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.animalfrontline.nl/jagen/myths.php
>
> 1. Hunting is a right
>
> Wrong.
>
> Hunting is a privilege. ALL states recognize hunting as a privilege
> granted to certain individuals... not a right. Neither the federal nor
> any state constitution recognize hunting as a right. From the Illinois
> hunter education manual, page 5:
>
> "Privileges are extra benefits given to a person or group. They may be
> given only to people who meet certain conditions. Hunting is an
> example of a privilege." ALL states teach in their hunter education
> classes that hunting is a privilege.
>
> 2. Hunters control animal populations
>
>
> Wrong.
> Hunters manipulate animal populations for their own benefit.
>
> Whitetail deer have been manipulated to the point of overpopulation in
> some areas. From Mr. DuBrock, Director of Wildlife, Pennsylvania Game
> Comission:
>
> "The increase in deer in Pennsylvania is a direct result of hunting
> practices which have routinely killed large number of bucks, thus
> removing a large number of animals from the herd and causing the
> compensatory rebound. Furthermore, such hunting practices, by
> constantly killing males while leaving females alive, have upset the
> natural 1:1 female to male ratio to at least 5 females to every 1
> male." As rural areas have outgrown the ability to support a healthy
> deer herd, the animals have expanded into more populated areas and are
> now common in suburbs. This has resulted in a dramatic increase in
> auto/deer accidents, damage to property, and starvation of animals.
> Hunters actually cause overpopulation and the degradation of the deer
> herd in general by seeking to kill antlered bucks with no regard for
> the herd in general. This results in skewed sex ratios, as high as 25
> females to one male in some areas. Since deer are polygamous, the herd
> multiplies while the hunting kill increases. From the 1998-99 Kentucky
> Hunting Regulations Manual, page 12:
>
> "In 1976, the first year for mandatory check in, Kentucky recored
> 3,476 harvested deer. Herd growth accelerated in the 1980's. A
> two-deer limit was begun in 1987. By 1989 the quality of the deer left
> much to be desired. Lots of deer were being killed, but they were
> small with small racks [antlers]. Hunters blamed malnutrition, disease
> or poor genetics, but the real reason was lack of age. Kentucky had
> lots of healthy deer with good genetics, but they were young. The
> number of deer living long enough to reach their rpime was very small.
> 22% of the bucks were two years or older, less than 6% were three
> years old. Biologists determined that the quality of the deer herd
> would improve if more of the herd lived longer. Genetically superior
> bucks would naturally out-compete their unfit rivals." THAT is what
> hunting does to deer.
>
> What about other animals? There are 1145 species of mammals and birds
> in North America. 141 are classified as game animals. Of the
> remaining, almost 90% of the species, NONE are overpoulated and
> starving. Left to their own, animal populations will stabilize and
> meet the carrying capacity of their habitat.
>
> Among game animals, populations are declining. And have been for
> decades. Hunters stock millions of pheasants, quail, ducks, foxes,
> raccoons, and turkeys each year on private property expressly for
> hunting. Not to mention the breeding of exotics for hunting in
> enclosures. Why is this necessary? The US Fish and Wildlife Service
> has steadily reduced daily limits of ducks and geese in the past 20
> years. Duck limits are 1/3 to 1/10 what they were in the early to
> mid-1980s. The goose quotas for 1998 are reduced as much as 50% from
> 1997. This is partially due to reduced populations and partially due
> to hunter's lack of reporting kills under the federal H.I.P.S.
> program.
>
> Hunters disdain the competition of natural predators. Most states
> allow year round killing of fox, coyotes, raccoons and even mountain
> lions in some cases. Where year round hunting is not allowed, seasons
> are long and bag limits large or unlimited. In the past, bounties were
> paid on these animals. As late as 1980, Michigan paid $5 for a male
> coyote, $20 for a female.
>
> At the same time that hunters say they "control" or "reduce
> overpopulation" they will piont out that there are more deer than when
> the Pilgrims came in 1620. True enough. But gone are the bison, the
> wolves, the fox, the gray goose, the elk (once widespread in the
> east), the moose, the passenger pigeon, the prairie chicken, the
> prairie dog, the pronghorn antelope, the grouse and ducks that
> blackened the skies with their numbers. All have been eliminated by
> the hunter. To replace them we have an overabundance of deer, at the
> behest of game departemnts in search of dollars, immature herds and
> turkeys stocked in areas that are not native driving out native
> populations of birds.
>
> 94% of the population (non-hunters) have surrendered to the 6% of
> hunters who have manipulated our animals to their benefit. It is time
> this stops.
>
> 3. Hunters contribute to wildlife
>
>
> Wrong.
> Hunters contribute to hunting. Hunters contribute money to hunting in
> various ways, let's examine them.
>
> Hunting licenses and state stamps. These are sold and the money
> collected at the state level. The states use 71% of the funds
> generated by these sources to enforce the hunting regulations of the
> states (Iowa DNR studies). The remainder are used to improve and
> maintain state lands for hunting use. Cleaning up after the hunting
> season, providing parking areas, and even stocking game on state lands
> for hunters to kill. Illinois stocks pheasants on 8 state parks for
> hunter's exclusive use as targets. The parks are closed to other uses
> during the hunting season. Ed Rodniak, manager of the Chain O' Lakes
> State Park in Lake Co., IL states that carryover (survival) of the
> birds is "0 %". Those that are not killed by hunters die of exposure
> to the elements. These are pen raised, hand fed birds.
>
> These fees, then, become reimbursement to the states for regulating
> and catering to the hunters. It is not "for the wildlife".
>
> Federal stamps. These are issued by the US Fish & Wildlife Service.
> The money is collected and redistributed to the states, after "an
> expensive night on the town in Washimgton, DC". After "costs", the
> states are returned approximately 43% of the funds for "wetland
> development" and law enforcement. Violation of migratory bird hunting
> rules is a federal offense, and fines are paid to the federal
> government, yet the federal government provides no law enforcement.
> This is done by the states. These funds are used to reimburse the
> states for the costs of enforcing federal laws with state employees.
> Wetland projects must be approved in advance, and the project must
> benefit migratory waterfowl or bird species, these species are, in
> turn, hunted. No non-game species directly recieve any benefit of
> these funds.
>
> The Pittman-Robertson Tax. This began in 1937 as a 10% federal excise
> tax on the sale of rifles, shotguns, and ammunition for them. During
> WW2, the tax was raised to 11% and has remained at that level. In 1970
> the fund was expanded to include handguns, reloading (ammunition)
> components, boats, outboard motors and fishing equipment. Fisherman
> and target shooters objected. Only 16% of America's firearms owners
> are hunters, and less than 10% of fisherman and boaters hunt. They
> objected to providing funds for hunters. So the act was modified to
> include lake and river improvement for boat access, public shooting
> range development, and hunter and boating education classes.
>
> These funds are distributed to states based on a formula of state size
> (square miles of area) and number of hunting licenses sold. Funds "for
> wildlife" must be used to benefit huntable species or land open for
> hunting. When Senator Boxer (D. CA) introduced the "Desert Protection
> Act", which would have closed hunting on 2 million acres of California
> desert, the USFWS protested that doing so would make the land
> ineligible to receive Pitman-Robertson funds. Again the hunters assure
> the use of the money for their direct benefit.
>
> So, what kind of projects do we get for the generous contributions of
> hunters? Stocking turkeys where they have never existed before,
> trading turkeys from Texas to Florida for alligators, to restore the
> hunter decimated populations of the animals, attempts to introduce elk
> to the lower penninsula of Michigan for hunting. Attempts to introduce
> elk to Kentucky. Why? Simple. Hunting has become a tourist industry,
> and the game departments are the innkeepers of that industry. Kentucky
> does not want Kentuckians that wish to hunt elk going to Montana or
> Colorado, not when the federal government will pay to stock the elk in
> Kentucky. Florida needed turkeys to restore it's decimated population
> of the native osceola species. Unfortunately Osceola turkeys lived
> only in Florida. No problem. Trade some alligators to Texas gator
> hunters for the Rio Grande species of turkey native to Texas. Thus
> allowing Texans to hunt gators at home and sealing the fate of the few
> remaining Osceola turkeys. But hey, a turkey is a turkey, and now
> Florida hunters can kill a turkey right at home.
>
> At the same time states play games to increase their "piece of the
> pie". Many states used to allow persons under 16 yrs. old, over 65
> yrs. old, and landowners to hunt without licenses. Not any more. Now
> they must have a license, or permit, but they may be charged only a
> nominal fee for this. Some as low a 50 cents. BUT... it is a license
> sale, and therefore increases that state's funds... at the expense of
> another state.
>
> What these funds have done is to make the government game departments,
> charged with the resources that belong to everyone, the handmaidens of
> the hunters. We can be assured to have an overabundance of targets for
> hunters, but no real balance of nature. No balance was ever intended.
>
> 4. Alternatives to hunting
>
> "There are no practical alternatives to hunting", we are told.
> "Hunting reduces animal populations and generates revenue. It does not
> 'cost' anything." Well, let's look at this myth.
>
> Currently the only wild animals in a condition of "overpopulation"
> (too many animals for the habitat) are whitetailed deer, and then only
> in isolated areas. Whitetails are NOT overpopulated in the vast
> majority of their range. Whitetailed deer represent less than 2% of
> the animals killed by hunters each year, yet are always used as the
> excuse for all hunting. Even bird hunters use whitetails as their
> excuse while they hunt pen raised, stocked birds. Many common game
> birds are not even native to North America, but were imported for
> hunting. Ringnecked pheasant (China), Hungarian, or gray partridge
> (central Europe) and chuckar (central Europe to Asia) are good
> examples.
>
> There are natural, inexpensive alternatives to hunting. Stopping the
> war on natural predators is one way. Coyotes, wolves, mountain lions,
> foxes, eagles, hawks, owls and raccoons have been persecuted for
> centuries. STOP!!!!!!!! These animals are valuable predators and
> scavengers. They are natural, and part of nature's plan for balance.
> The habitat is not complete without them. In addition to providing
> year 'round population control of prey species, they benefit the herd
> by naturally selecting weak and inferior animals as food. They are
> simply easier to prey upon. After all, it is not necessary for a deer
> to be stronger or smarter than a wolf or coyote.... he need only be
> stronger, or smarter, than another deer.
>
> In urban and suburban areas where confined population cells of
> whitetails are a problem, contraception is a viable alternative. Dr.
> Gary Killian of Penn State University has developed an oral
> contraceptive for deer and other animals. The drug is "selective" and
> only affects female deer. Any other animals eating the drug laced food
> are not affected. It is impossible for the animals to "overdose" on
> the drug, and as little as one bale of treated hay can effectively
> protect the female deer in an area as large as one square mile. The
> drug has an effective action of one year. So populations can be
> monitored and controlled. Treatments can be delivered by helicopter or
> by vehicle. At Angel Island in California the deer herd was reduced
> from 150 animals to 60 animals. At Point Reyes National Seashore the
> Tule elk herd was reduced from 212 to 70 animals. Natural predators
> and natural death reduced the herd, and birth control prevented the
> "rebound" effect so often seen with hunting.
>
> Why aren't more agencies using it? Because hunters, who claim to love
> wildlife and only hunt for the good of the wildlife, do not believe in
> population control unless it means they get to kill something. Why
> wouldn't they support a reduction in deer herds, since that is what
> they claim to be doing? The game departments, always the handmaidens
> of hunters, use "studies" paid for by hunters to conclude that
> contraception is not viable.
>
> Until we break the stranglehold the hunters have on game departments
> and "wildlife biologists", they will always conclude hunting is the
> best alternative. Educating the non-hunting public to these facts is
> the best way to do this.
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In article <86a0bccd98355740c871ab3bb25ff06f@free.teranews.com>, Malcolm
<URL:mailto:Malcolm@malcsplace.com> wrote:

> 1. Hunting is a right 
> 
> Wrong.

Neither it's simply a way of life.

This stuff is completely off topic on uk groups Pete - but then you knew
that.

You like Google, look back at our replies when you raised this garbage
before (you were calling yourself MBongo then in case you'd lost track)
and save yourself the effort of reposting. 

Cheerio,


-- 
>> derek.moody@clara.net

I know ............... let's go fishing .......................

1. Posting to a newsgroup is a right

Wrong.

Posting to a newsgroup  is a privilege.

But y'all gotta post to the proper group
"Dano" <brooky51-unsubscribed@shaw.com> wrote in message
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> 1. Posting to a newsgroup is a right
>
> Wrong.
>
> Posting to a newsgroup  is a privilege.
>
>

Go to Google..............

type in :-   weapons of mass destruction

Hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button




"Dano" <brooky51-unsubscribed@shaw.com> wrote in message
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> 1. Posting to a newsgroup is a right
>
> Wrong.
>
> Posting to a newsgroup  is a privilege.
>
>

Go to Google..............

type in :-   weapons of mass destruction

Hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button

"Handy Andy" <boot.DOT.legger@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> Go to Google..............
>
> type in :-   weapons of mass destruction
>
> Hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button
>

Go to the toilet..............

With a loaded gun.

Pull the "I'm feeling lucky" trigger.

What's this to do with fishing?
"Handy Andy" <boot.DOT.legger@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:qmvNa.4498$4O4.234187@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...
> Go to Google..............
>
> type in :-   weapons of mass destruction
>
> Hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button
>
>
>
>
> "Dano" <brooky51-unsubscribed@shaw.com> wrote in message
> news:reoNa.358540$ro6.8656188@news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
> > 1. Posting to a newsgroup is a right
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > Posting to a newsgroup  is a privilege.
> >
> >
>
>

What's this to do with fishing?
"Handy Andy" <boot.DOT.legger@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:mnvNa.4503$4O4.234876@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...
> Go to Google..............
>
> type in :-   weapons of mass destruction
>
> Hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button
>
>

What's this to do with fishing?
"Zakhar" <nospam@donotuse123.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Handy Andy" <boot.DOT.legger@virgin.net> wrote in message
> news:qmvNa.4498$4O4.234187@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...
> > Go to Google..............
> >
> > type in :-   weapons of mass destruction
> >
> > Hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button
> >
>
> Go to the toilet..............
>
> With a loaded gun.
>
> Pull the "I'm feeling lucky" trigger.
>
>

> 1. Hunting is a right
>
> Wrong.
>
> Hunting is a privilege. ALL states recognize hunting as a privilege
> granted to certain individuals... not a right. Neither the federal nor
> any state constitution recognize hunting as a right.

WRONG!

Hunting is a right in Virginia. It's in Virginia's constitution. You really
should check your facts before posting.

Ray

Ray wrote:

>>1. Hunting is a right
>>
>>Wrong.
>>
>>Hunting is a privilege. ALL states recognize hunting as a privilege
>>granted to certain individuals... not a right. Neither the federal nor
>>any state constitution recognize hunting as a right.
> 
> 
> WRONG!
> 
> Hunting is a right in Virginia. It's in Virginia's constitution. You really
> should check your facts before posting.
> 

Same for Alabama, it is a RIGHT, one that if you infringe on another's 
right to hunt legally (he is following all the rules), they arrest you 
for a felony, and you get about 7 years in the state pen
-- 
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Boomerang Fishing Pro. , Straight Up Hooks ,
Straight Up Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights,
and the EZKnot          http://www.ezknot.com

Malcom,
       You are only fortifying our resolve to go out and hunt. There is
little difference between a fisherman and a hunter, save technique. I am
highly impressed by the big finger graphic. Now go finger fuck your
neighbor's poodle or something like that. I'm sure you have a deep
understanding of that too.

"Patrick Murray" <worpy@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Malcom,
>        You are only fortifying our resolve to go out and hunt. There is
> little difference between a fisherman and a hunter, save technique. I am
> highly impressed by the big finger graphic. Now go finger fuck your
> neighbor's poodle or something like that. I'm sure you have a deep
> understanding of that too.
>

Please don't refer to Pete as "Malcom",  he only uses that name to annoy
the real Malcolms who post to
uk.environment.conservation. Though he might already be known to those in
the fishing groups as one or more of Emily Cohen, JudgeDred, Hobgoblin,
Bishop Mbongo, Dr John Thomas, Pastor Bquik, SantaClaws, Wyldelyfe,
Glenfiddich, Real Conservation Inc., Lexarlife, Locksmith, Laura Cloon, Mrs
P Airey, Scott Nelson, Wildlife Concerns UK, Wildlife Investigation News
Department, Betty Boop, Save_our_planet20, environment_aid, Clarence Fargo,
Dean Rowan, Landau, and likely many other.

Most likely he's just some volunteer PR person with the Animal Aid (animal
righrts) charity www.animalaid.org.uk.  Lovely people :-(

Michael Saunby