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Billy wrote:
> On 3 Jul 2006 15:25:41 -0700, claire.easthope@ntlworld.com wrote in
> england.religion.christian:
>
> >
> >Jim wrote:
> >> "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <nospamatall@add.com> wrote in
> >> message news:vBVpg.11287$eQ.6896@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
> >> >
> >> > "Martin" <martin.reboul@spamfuktiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> > news:44a04f17_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> >> >>
> >> >> "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <nospamatall@add.com> wrote in
> >> >> message
> >> >> news:Ttimg.32943$lQ.1264@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "Martin" <martin.reboul@spamfuktiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:4499a275_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <nospamatall@add.com> wrote in
> >> >>> > message
> >> >>> > news:4i6mg.32533$lQ.12016@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> "Martin" <martin.reboul@spamfuktiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> >>> >> news:449878ba_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> > "altheim" <altheim@freeuk.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> >> > news:1OZlg.36197$qD.25470@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <nospamatall@add.com>
> >> >>> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >> >> > "altheim" <altheim@freeuk.com> wrote:
> >> >>> >> >> >> I imagine that particular commandment, "Thou shalt not kill",
> >> >>> >> >> >> presents theologians with impossible dilemmas. If taken to
> >> >>> >> >> >> its ultimate conclusion we may not kill the rat that bites the
> >> >>> >> >> >> baby, nor even sterilise the baby's milk. How does the
> >> >>> >> >> >> purist get out of that one?
> >> >>> >> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> >> Jeff?
> >> >>> >> >> >
> >> >>> >> >> > Jesus was speaking of human beings not animals etc.
> >> >>> >> >> > For Jesus ate fish and lamb....
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> Really? I thought that commandment came from God, via
> >> >>> >> >> Moses.
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> And, you are allowing yourself to indulge in the very latitude
> >> >>> >> >> I questioned (below), permission for which is not even implied
> >> >>> >> >> in the original commandment. Far be it from me to question
> >> >>> >> >> Jesus' actions but it seems to me that even he took liberties
> >> >>> >> >> which he shouldn't have. That is assuming of course that the
> >> >>> >> >> commandments really did come from God and not a hoax
> >> >>> >> >> on the part of Moses.
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> >> I say he can't - not without allowing himself some degree
> >> >>> >> >> >> of latitude, but then that raises the question of who draws
> >> >>> >> >> >> the lines of such latitude. At what point do you go too far?
> >> >>> >> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> >> Then again, what is the moral position of the man who kills
> >> >>> >> >> >> one to save many: True, he has broken a fundamental
> >> >>> >> >> >> commandment but it could be argued that his act of killing
> >> >>> >> >> >> was a selfless one because he risked his place in Heaven
> >> >>> >> >> >> to save the earthly lives of others. Will God judge him on
> >> >>> >> >> >> that basis?
> >> >>> >> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> >> Turn that question on its head: How will God judge the man
> >> >>> >> >> >> who allows many to die because he would not act against
> >> >>> >> >> >> a killer?
> >> >>> >> >> >
> >> >>> >> >> > If a baptised follow of Christ refuses to kill as God has
> >> >>> >> >> > commanded,
> >> >>> >> >> > God &
> >> >>> >> >> > Christ will be very pleased with that man, even if a another
> >> >>> >> >> > million
> >> >>> >> >> > sinners died, because he faithfully obeyed God's commandment.
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> Why?
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> > Because it is written...
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Right!
> >> >>> >> Obedience to Christ's or God's commands are all that matter in the
> >> >>> >> equation.
> >> >>> >> Isaiah 66:2 "Saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him
> >> >>> >> that
> >> >>> >> is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word."
> >> >>> >> Amen!
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > So trembling is the order of the day? No wonder the world is a mess...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On the contrary it's in such a mess as it's populations have rejected
> >> >>> God's
> >> >>> way of living.
> >> >>> If they all complied we would need no armies, police or prisons,
> >> >>> everyone
> >> >>> would truly love their enemies and neighbours and the world would be at
> >> >>> peace with itself.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Just as it will be when the Lord Returns and the chosen of Christ rule
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> world for a 1,000 wonderful years.
> >> >>> They will make sure peace reigns by their absolute power and strict
> >> >>> control
> >> >>> of the nations.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Jesus  promises it to those who obey him till the end.
> >> >>> Rev. 2:25 "But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
> >> >>> 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him
> >> >>> will I
> >> >>> give power over the nations:
> >> >>> 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter
> >> >>> shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
> >> >>> 28 And I will give him the morning star.
> >> >>> 29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the
> >> >>> churches. "
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Psalms 149:5 "Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud
> >> >>> upon
> >> >>> their beds.
> >> >>>         6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged
> >> >>> sword in their hand;
> >> >>> 7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the
> >> >>> people;
> >> >>> 8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of
> >> >>> iron;
> >> >>> 9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his
> >> >>> saints. Praise ye the LORD."
> >> >>>
> >> >>> AMEN!
> >> >>
> >> >> Where does the 'thousand years' bit come into it then?
> >> >>
> >> >> And what happens after that thousand years?
> >> >
> >> > The "second resurrection"
> >> > Rev. 20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first
> >> > resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be
> >> > priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
> >> > 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of
> >> > his prison,
> >> > 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters
> >> > of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number
> >> > of whom is as the sand of the sea.
> >> > 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of
> >> > the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of
> >> > heaven, and devoured them.
> >> > 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and
> >> > brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be
> >> > tormented day and night for ever and ever."
> >> >
> >> >> People who mention anything 'lasting 1000 years' seem to have a poor
> >> >> track
> >> >> record on the whole... Ian Smith and Adolph Hitler were woefully
> >> >> optimistic in
> >> >> their assurances...
> >> >
> >> > They were mere son's of men, this will be enforced by the very "Son of
> >> > God".
> >> > Psalms 2:7 "The LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I
> >> > begotten thee.
> >> > 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and
> >> > the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
> >> > 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces
> >> > like a potter's vessel."
> >> >
> >> > Jeff...
> >> > "28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God,
> >> > and keep it."
> >> > Amen!
> >>
> >> What about your pacifist stance numbnuts? "Dash them in pieces like a
> >> potter's
> >> vessal" Your make it up as you go along goobledegook takes one's breath
> >> away,
> >> thank the Lord you didn't choose politics! But then again you would still be
> >> a
> >> nonentity.
> >>
> >> Jim
> >
> >You'd be no good in politics..., nobody likes you! :-)
>
> and how big are your tits, madam????????????

You've already done that one! Boring or what! ;-)