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<claire.easthope@ntlworld.com> wrote in message 
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> Pat P wrote:
>> <claire.easthope@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>> > Angus wrote:
>> >> On 4 Jul 2006 14:46:24 -0700, claire.easthope@ntlworld.com wrote in
>> >> england.religion.christian:
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>> >> >
>> >> >John Cooper wrote:
>> >> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=393651&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source=&ito=1490
>> snip >> Then we try to teach newcomers to like us! It is the blind 
>> leading
>> the blind!   Don't blame the Muslims!
>>
>> You`ve got it the wrong way round there - who cares if they like us! 
>> THEY
>> have to persuade US to like THEM!
>
> We let people in to our country regardless of whether they like us -
> the world's extremists - this is what I mean, no self-respect!
> Besides, Muslims are here now and we have to learn to live together.
> There is no appeasing extremists though and the boundaries need to be
> made clear - this is how we do things around here, you have a
> democratic right to disagree, you have liberal freedom to wear (etc)
> what you like but should our liberal democracy become intolerable to
> you please get out.

Rather that is what we should be saying, but do not on the whole.  We are 
such a gutless society now.  And thanks to the farsical Human Rights Law it 
is extremely difficult to remove such people from this country however much 
of a danger *they* pose to our corporate human rights.

> To the fundamentalists nothing short of Sharia law
> will suffice but the moderates don't seem to  mind living in a
> Christian country so long as they are treated fairly which is only
> right and more than Christians get in many parts of the Islamic world.
>
Many moderates (more accurately called conservative Muslims) also want 
Sharia Law.  This is the ultimate aim of Islam whether conservative or 
radical. It is only the small numbers of liberal Muslims who have put this 
aim aside.   The only difference between the conservatives and radicals are 
the methods favoured.  I personally see the conservative tactics as far more 
dangerous because they are gradual and largely go unnoticed by us dim-wit 
Westerners.   We sit up and take notice when suicide bombers strike, but 
fail to notice that a growing Muslim population is consolidating itself in 
the city areas.  These areas are being gradually claimed for Islam and will 
eventually become a state within a state where Sharia Law rule, not our Law. 
Islam is very much a territorial religion, once land has been claimed for 
Islam it belongs to Islam forever.  Did you know that Islam claims the land 
upon which every Mosque is sited in perpetuity?  Land once claimed for Islam 
will never be surrendered.

Steve Wilson