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Please note: Follow-ups overridden because this may well be relevant to 
the moderated group


In message 
<Xns93D62AED9587grahamdrabblelineone@ID-77355.user.dfncis.de>, Graham 
Drabble <graham.drabble@lineone.net> wrote
>On 12 Aug 2003 Molly Mockford <nospam@mockfords.clara.co.uk> wrote
>in news:ckgx8TB3rSO$Ew0a@clara.net:
>
>> In article <Xns93D4EE0DF93DDgrahamdrabblelineone@ID-
>> 77355.user.dfncis.de> at 23:20:00 on Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Graham
>> Drabble <graham.drabble@lineone.net> wrote:
>>
>>>BTW, what newsreader are you using? It's getting the References:
>>>header wrong. You replied to me but the References: header only
>>>mentions Kat's article.
>>
>> How very odd!  It's Turnpike 5.01, which is supposed to be fully
>> compliant.  Certainly, when my post arrived back, it threaded it
>> to Kat's post rather than yours, as it ought from that erroneous
>> References header - and that doesn't normally happen, or I'd
>> notice.  Let's see what it does with this one!
>
>It's got this one wrong as well.

Turnpike will have generated *all* of the references, but AIUI they have 
been separated by line breaks - which is permitted.

When the message had been processed by the moderator, only the first 
line of the References: header survived
>
>For the dist users: Kat posted with
>
>Message-ID: <bh7ha0$uba4n$1@ID-116853.news.uni-berlin.de>
>
>I followed up with
>
>Message-ID: <Xns93D47316578EDgrahamdrabblelineone@ID-
>77355.user.dfncis.de>
>References: <bh7ha0$uba4n$1@ID-116853.news.uni-berlin.de>

OTOH, the References in your message have *not* been separated by line 
breaks, only by white space - the moderation process has again 
reproduced the first line, but in your case, it contained all of the 
relevant references
>
>Molly then followed up my post with
>
>Message-ID: <ELmHXGBj29N$Ew9n@clara.net>
>References: <bh7ha0$uba4n$1@ID-116853.news.uni-berlin.de>
>
>(note that this is Kat's article only yet Molly followed up my post)

But we know from Molly elsewhere, that the article *sent* by her 
included other references. It is the article that results from the 
moderation that is defective and *not* that generated by her news 
client.
>
>I responded with
>
>Message-ID: <Xns93D4EE0DF93DDgrahamdrabblelineone@ID-
>77355.user.dfncis.de>
>References: <bh7ha0$uba4n$1@ID-116853.news.uni-berlin.de>
><ELmHXGBj29N$Ew9n@clara.net>

Except that your references were all on the first line and therefore 
appeared to survive intact
>
>and Molly followed up that post with
>
>Message-ID: <ckgx8TB3rSO$Ew0a@clara.net>
>References: <bh7ha0$uba4n$1@ID-116853.news.uni-berlin.de>
>
>(still just Kat's original post).
>
>For anyone who doesn't follow this each post has a unique Message-ID.
>When you follow up to a post your newsreader should append the
>Message-ID: of the article you are following up to the end of the
>References header of that article (or create a new References header
>with just the previous MID in it if no References header exists).

This is precisely what Molly's news client did do. Unfortunately, the 
moderation process has not treated the References: header in its 
entirety

>
>Turnpike seems to be doing the latter option even if the References
>header exists.

This appearance is in fact erroneous - Turnpike is generating all of the 
references in a manner that complies with the RFC's. Unfortunately, the 
moderation process is only allowing the first line of references to 
survive.

>This causes problems with threading as most
>newsreaders use the references header to place incoming articles into
>existing threads.
>
That is the correct way to thread and is precisely what Molly's client 
uses also. Unfortunately, the headers of her article have been altered 
in a way that caused the References: header to be truncated

I suspect that the automated process only ever looks for a line that 
begins "References:" and will therefore inevitably fail to pass on all 
the references as soon as (for whatever legitimate reason) they are 
split over more than one line
-- 
Robert
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