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Re: Cannot collect news from Claranet

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From: Jim Crowther
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:56
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Crossposted to unp and dist, both on different servers here at this 
time.

In message <0b7prvsa6emohj8s424nf0ocjs0jolokfb@4ax.com>, Anthony R. Gold 
<not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> writes:

>On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:48:07 +0000, Peter - 0870 432 9616
><newspost.10.webnet@spamgourmet.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, "Anthony R. Gold" wrote:
>>
>>> ordering of groups in the Newsgroups: line is immaterial.
>>
>> Perhaps Turnpike would take note - multiple news servers aren't
>> an option with Agent, of course, but if Turnpike determined it
>> needed to post to Claranet, then crosspost would have worked.
>
>The issue here is not the behaviour of the user's client but that ClaraNet
>drops any article cross-posted across internal and external newsgroups.
>

>Molly believes this dropping of cross-posted articles depends on the
>ordering of the group names in the Newsgroups: line while I do not.

IIRC, the current version of Turnpike will issue a warning if an attempt 
is made to cross-post to newsgroups that are associated with different 
servers.  It will then post only one copy to the server associated with 
the first newsgroup in the newsgroup line.  This prevents duplicates 
with different MIDs, among other hazards.

AIIRC, this was the same in TP5.01, but broke down when the first 
newsgroup wasn't subscribed, and therefore had no associated server.  In 
this case, the current version selects the first newsgroup that does 
have an associated server.

I don't know claranet's policies on crossposted articles, so cannot 
comment on which way round could result in a true cross-post.  I can 
imagine ways for it to work in one order of newsgroups, but not the 
other.

This will go via news.aaisp.net.uk, but should propagate properly.

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Subject: Re: Cannot collect news from Claranet
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