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Article #35Re: Poll: for/against Net surveillance in UK Anti-Terrorism law ?
From: pisces
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:34
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:34
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"Clive D. W. Feather" <clive@on-the-train.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:+5jhP3MRtaH8Ew1O@romana.davros.org... .. > The relevance of demon.service is ? The recent voluminous thread on "NTK on NCS on NNTP". Under "Anti-Terrorism" Act, ISPs can now be compelled to log the kind of data that would enable NCS actually to do what they initially said they were doing. > The relevance of uk.gov.social-security is ? The government has already taken powers in Social Security Fraud Act 2001 (http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2001/10011--a.htm#1) to get direct electronic access to data from colleges, utilities, banks, credit providers and credit reference agencies, and other organisations to be used for data-matching to catch suspected benefit fraudsters. Under "Anti-Terrorism" Act, subject to data protection law, ISPs can now be compelled to log (and RIP gives power to access) traffic data - potentially in bulk, subject to 'proportionality' in pursuit of any crime including benefit fraud. Not very far away from traffic analysis of a person's web activity being matched for being unsuitable or inconsistent with being a benefit claimant. (The Tories wanted Social Security snoopers actually to be included in list of agencies authorised to obtain) > I would also argue that uk.politics.censorship is not relevant, since > this is regulation, not censorship, Surveillance and intrusions of privacy that chill free-speech are a form of censorship. > and that is *exactly* why > uk.net.regulation exists. Why is there some imperative to confine discussion to the most tightly defined single group ? Even if this group *is* the most appropriate group, why do you think discussion should *only* occur there ? There are many interests peripheripherally or centrally affected by Net regulation. Why should they all be subsumed into discussion in uk.net.regulation ? That is exactly what cross-posting is *for* ?
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